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re: Would you support a fan supported NIL cooperative, if it helped LSU land more talent?
Posted on 1/7/24 at 2:16 pm to SwampyWaters
Posted on 1/7/24 at 2:16 pm to SwampyWaters
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Lord knows we all spend a lot of money on LSU stuff every year, so it would seem like a no-brainer if we each contributed $20, $50 or whatever amount you could afford that we could build a pretty substantial amount of money is a short time.
How many people do you think you could get with an average overall of $50?
Posted on 1/7/24 at 3:08 pm to Jugular Joe
Most of y'all don't even go to the games.
How about start there by buying tickets and concessions first.
How about start there by buying tickets and concessions first.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 3:21 pm to misey94
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My point is that, UNTIL THEN, it doesn’t matter what anyone’s feelings about NIL are. It’s a necessary evil. I don’t like what it has become either, but there’s no escaping it. And if you really do care about recruiting and want to complain when it isn’t elite, you should be kicking in a few spare bucks. If everyone did, we would be in a lot better shape. The rank and file of several other fanbases are doing far more than we are. That’s just the honest truth
Fair points. I hope you’re right because I do think revenue sharing makes the most sense.
Very curious to see how they attempt to navigate that with title IX.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:02 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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Very to see how they attempt to navigate that with title IX.
The NCAA made a Hail Mary proposal a few weeks ago that would create a new division and allow direct payments and basically a new set of rules for the schools who move up. Unfortunately, Title 9 would still be a factor, so it will never happen.
There’s only one way forward. The Power Conferences will leave the NCAA to form a new entity and the teams in it will completely separate from the universities. They will have to license the names, mascots and colors (which is how the schools get money funneled to them), and they will lease the facilities. With this clean break from any formal association, Title 9 will no longer apply. The. The way is clear for collective bargaining, direct payments, contracts, etc.
Outside of some game-changing federal legislation that changes the scope of Title 9 as it applies to college athletics, this is the only way.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:28 pm to misey94
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teams in it will completely separate from the universities
Sad, but I generally agree that a semi-pro league decoupled from NCAA is where this was headed from the beginning. It’s the only outcome that makes any sense with respect to organizational structure & legal considerations.
There are still a lot of different ways that could play out though… raises its own whole new set of questions. But it’s definitely a better place to start than maintaining the charade that this could ever be sustained under the NCAA umbrella.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:31 pm to SwampyWaters
I would happily donate to Bayou Traditions monthly if you could specify which sport(s) your donation goes to.
I'm not giving shite to this...
I'm not giving shite to this...
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:35 pm to CleanSlate
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No. I don’t think players should be paid in college
I got news for you hoss. Players have been getting paid for a long long time.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 6:35 pm to SwampyWaters
i already support a NIL cooperative by paying my state taxes and helping provide them with free education
Posted on 1/7/24 at 6:49 pm to SwampyWaters
It’s interesting how confused people are by NIL.
The school does not participate in funding NIL. It only benefits from the potential talent. The school does not cut the deals with business to get funding and they don’t cut deals with players to give them money.
Funding NIL comes generally in 2 forms:
1Business to player- business does a deal directly with a player.
2.Collectives like Bayou Traditions where businesses cut deals with collective fund and the fund cuts deals with players. These funds are run by outside people- not the school.
The latter often supports supporting and backup players but certainly not exclusively
Where teams are really benefiting from nil is not so much on the star players but on the other non “star” players and backups.
When it comes to overall funding for nil, lsu is woefully behind. So is Alabama and lots of other sec schools. Sure we have some highly paid athletes like Livy dunne and Jayden Daniels buts relatively top heavy. it’s the supporting cast that are not getting the deals that they could get elsewhere. That’s why depth is and will continue to be an issue unless nil gets revised or we somehow find more business willing to step up.
what has happened in some area is fundraising fatigue. Schools want money, athletic departments want money, and now players want money either directly or from a fund. Not many markets have the deep pockets
The school does not participate in funding NIL. It only benefits from the potential talent. The school does not cut the deals with business to get funding and they don’t cut deals with players to give them money.
Funding NIL comes generally in 2 forms:
1Business to player- business does a deal directly with a player.
2.Collectives like Bayou Traditions where businesses cut deals with collective fund and the fund cuts deals with players. These funds are run by outside people- not the school.
The latter often supports supporting and backup players but certainly not exclusively
Where teams are really benefiting from nil is not so much on the star players but on the other non “star” players and backups.
When it comes to overall funding for nil, lsu is woefully behind. So is Alabama and lots of other sec schools. Sure we have some highly paid athletes like Livy dunne and Jayden Daniels buts relatively top heavy. it’s the supporting cast that are not getting the deals that they could get elsewhere. That’s why depth is and will continue to be an issue unless nil gets revised or we somehow find more business willing to step up.
what has happened in some area is fundraising fatigue. Schools want money, athletic departments want money, and now players want money either directly or from a fund. Not many markets have the deep pockets
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 1/7/24 at 7:00 pm to SwampyWaters
Isn’t Bama trying to get fans to donate money to businesses in order to get more NIL? Since TAF funds aren’t used in NIL I think it’s a good idea.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 7:15 pm to SlidellCajun
When it comes to collectives, here are the top
Tennessee - Spyro sports group
They also have the volunteer club
Txamu- 12th man fund
Oregon- division street fund
Texas- Texas one fund.
They recently held an event in New Orleans that required 100,000 entry fee. It was over booked.
Members of the fund have guaranteed offensive linemen at least 50,000 a year
Miami- John Ruiz/canes collective..
Fla state- the battles end.
USC- house of victory fund. They regularly host events that cost 1,500 per head or $25,000 per table.
Arkansas- one Arkansas nil fund.
Ole miss - the grove fund.
West Virginia- country roads fund. Heavily focused on basketball.
Texas tech- matador fund.
Auburn- on to victory fund.
Michigan- valiant/ champions circle.
Georgia- classic city fund.
Washington- Mondale futures.
Notice teams absent from the list. LSU, bama, Florida, and other premier sec schools don’t even hit the radar.
These collectives gather sponsorship from business local and nationally and then cut deals with the athletes. The numbers are in the 10’s of millions but will be reaching hundreds of millions per program in the next few years.
Sometimes the money follows the player and sometimes the player follows the money. It’s a Wild West situation right now but one thing is for sure- it favors bigger markets where there is a lot of deep pockets to hit locallly.
Baton Rouge and Louisiana simply does not have that.
Tennessee - Spyro sports group
They also have the volunteer club
Txamu- 12th man fund
Oregon- division street fund
Texas- Texas one fund.
They recently held an event in New Orleans that required 100,000 entry fee. It was over booked.
Members of the fund have guaranteed offensive linemen at least 50,000 a year
Miami- John Ruiz/canes collective..
Fla state- the battles end.
USC- house of victory fund. They regularly host events that cost 1,500 per head or $25,000 per table.
Arkansas- one Arkansas nil fund.
Ole miss - the grove fund.
West Virginia- country roads fund. Heavily focused on basketball.
Texas tech- matador fund.
Auburn- on to victory fund.
Michigan- valiant/ champions circle.
Georgia- classic city fund.
Washington- Mondale futures.
Notice teams absent from the list. LSU, bama, Florida, and other premier sec schools don’t even hit the radar.
These collectives gather sponsorship from business local and nationally and then cut deals with the athletes. The numbers are in the 10’s of millions but will be reaching hundreds of millions per program in the next few years.
Sometimes the money follows the player and sometimes the player follows the money. It’s a Wild West situation right now but one thing is for sure- it favors bigger markets where there is a lot of deep pockets to hit locallly.
Baton Rouge and Louisiana simply does not have that.
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 1/7/24 at 7:41 pm to SlidellCajun
One thing to remember that NIL is still new and exciting. Market forces have not equalized. History has shown it is difficult to simply purchase championships with dollars. Ask the Yankees...
Once big dollar donors realize spending excessive amounts of money on children who have yet produced on the field in college doesn't ensure success, the NIL collective currently being spent will be looked back on as a joke.
Louisiana definitely cannot compete dollar wise, so it is important that LSU focuses on our in-state athletes and awesome fan base which separate LSU from programs like those in Texas that think you can simply buy a Natty.
Once big dollar donors realize spending excessive amounts of money on children who have yet produced on the field in college doesn't ensure success, the NIL collective currently being spent will be looked back on as a joke.
Louisiana definitely cannot compete dollar wise, so it is important that LSU focuses on our in-state athletes and awesome fan base which separate LSU from programs like those in Texas that think you can simply buy a Natty.
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