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Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:36 pm to msstate7
Stafford went to a team with a title-ready roster.
They had a top OL, and the best players at key positions (DB, DI) and a top-3 WR unit.
Also one of the best HCs in the NFL with an innovative offense.
They had a top OL, and the best players at key positions (DB, DI) and a top-3 WR unit.
Also one of the best HCs in the NFL with an innovative offense.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:37 pm to H-Town Tiger
Actually none of those guys “fell off a cliff” in any way that changes their career averages of tossing in the mid 20’s tds per season. No
Joe Flacco won the Super Bowl. Also a mid tier probably averaged around 20 tds a year or so.
Joe Flacco won the Super Bowl. Also a mid tier probably averaged around 20 tds a year or so.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:37 pm to Midget Death Squad
I think if we get rid of the OC, and he restructures - I think he and the offense can be better, but Pete has called horrendous game plans many times this year, and our Oline has Definity regressed. semi better lately, but they have been nowhere near as good as the last few years.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
Exactly. The difference in carr and stafford is stafford got Mcvay, who is a top 5 coach
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:45 pm to msstate7
Its not just about superbowl wins. Hes not a good qb and the excuse that hes like stafford is such hogwash.
Stafford, had far better years than Carr, with less if not worse talent at times. He also made the playoffs 3 times- again better than Carr. Stafford is a great leader. Carr has had issues in Vegas and in nola with his leadership but lets put that aside and say Carr can be the next Stafford for your logic.
Stafford went to a great offensive minded head coach who already went to a superbowl. He also had one of the leagues best defenses with a DPOY in Donald.
I know this is hard part- ask yourself what does Carr have on this team and is it even remotely comparable???
Stafford, had far better years than Carr, with less if not worse talent at times. He also made the playoffs 3 times- again better than Carr. Stafford is a great leader. Carr has had issues in Vegas and in nola with his leadership but lets put that aside and say Carr can be the next Stafford for your logic.
Stafford went to a great offensive minded head coach who already went to a superbowl. He also had one of the leagues best defenses with a DPOY in Donald.
I know this is hard part- ask yourself what does Carr have on this team and is it even remotely comparable???
Posted on 1/4/24 at 2:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
So if we don’t have that why waste our time investing in Carr(if you believe hes remotely like Stafford- which I don’t personally)?
Posted on 1/4/24 at 3:04 pm to msstate7
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Career passer rating
Again with the macro comparison.
Carr best rating 101.4 and 100.8
Ryan 117. 1 and 108.8
Stafford 106 and 102
Ben 104 103 and 100.5
Dak 104.9 104.2 104.2
Carr has 3 season over 95. Ben 8, Stafford and Dak 6
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I think these are all good comparisons for carr.
Eli is the rest are all considerably better and Eli did make some critical plays in huge games, not so sure Carr could make those
Posted on 1/4/24 at 3:17 pm to paulbeasy
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Actually none of those guys “fell off a cliff” in any way that changes their career averages of tossing in the mid 20’s tds per season
I don’t see where avg TDS/year is a good stat to begin with and you also don’t address why all those other guys had better, much better in some cases peak years.
However Ryan avg 25.4 over 15 years his last 2 years he had 20and 14 without those he’s 26.7
Carr in 10 years has 238 TDS that’s 23.8
Stafford has 357 in 15 years which is also 23.8 but he only played 8 games 1 year and 9 another Carr has played at least 15 games every year.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 3:55 pm to Handsome Pete
No thanks, take whatever is owed and get lost MOVE on Loomis!
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:00 pm to H-Town Tiger
Translation: let's break down the bigger sample into smaller ones that fit my narrative.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:39 pm to Handsome Pete
No. Eat that dogshit contract and stop pushing trash contracts into the future.
No more kicking the can.
No more kicking the can.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 4:55 pm to msstate7
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Translation: let's break down the bigger sample into smaller ones that fit my narrative.
Says the guys cherry picking a stat no one uses
my only “narrative” is Carr is at best a mediocre QB and it was a horrendous decision to sign him to the deal the Saints did comparing him to other QBs that are retired or not available is an irrelevant distraction. However Dak, Stafford, Ryan, Big Ben are all better QBs than Carr both at their peak and over their careers
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 1/4/24 at 5:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
You're right, passer rating is a stat no one uses
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:05 pm to H-Town Tiger
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However Dak, Stafford, Ryan, Big Ben are all better QBs than Carr both at their peak and over their careers
Eli, Matt Stafford, Dak, Joe Flacco and co. etc are similar to Carr. There no league MVP’s in this bunch. All have been in the MVP convo (including Carr not Flacco).
They are not elite. They dont compare to Aaron Rodgers/Brees/Brady.
Theyve always been mid tier QB’s.
How mid in compared to the other is splitting hairs.
The point is valid and obviously the Saints see it that way. That a championship can be won with a Stafford, Eli, Flacco etc type of QB.
We’ve been in the playoffs for much if a decade so its clear what the Saint FO is considering.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:06 pm to Handsome Pete
Injuries catching up to him and he isn’t very good to begin with…I bet he is willing to somehow get a longer term lock bc he knows he will be second string elsewhere
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
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However Ryan avg 25.4 over 15 years his last 2 years he had 20and 14 without those he’s 26.7 Carr in 10 years has 238 TDS that’s 23.8
Wow! Huge difference right? Or maybe not so much, lol wtf. 26 v 24 dude.
And go ahead and throw Russel Wilson into the group of mid tier QB’s winning Super Bowls.
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:13 pm to msstate7
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You're right, passer rating is a stat no one uses
Touché but I meant the TD/year that someone was using before.
As for Passer Rating it is a flawed metric unless you believe Carr is just as good as Josh Allen or Joe Montana and Jimmy Grappolo is better than Brady, Peyton Manning and Steve Young
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You are only defending Carr because he plays for your team, if he played for the Falcons or Bucs most in this board would say he sucks and laugh at them for the contract
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
I think passer rating is very fair among qbs in the same era. I don't think it's useful to compare Carr to say elway. As far as Carr on par with Allen and Mahomes this season, that's the problem with looking at individual seasons, which you seem to love
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:21 pm to mikesliveisacheater
Restructure does not mean pay cut genius
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