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Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:45 am to Esquire
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Weird, slavery reformers were primarily christian groups.
The slavers were primarily Christians too
I think that doubles down on the point Roger is making.
I think you should think that too.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:46 am to catholictigerfan
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maybe it isn't correct, it's speculation and the traditional date has been for centuries been the 25th of December, but do you have evidence outside of sharing a date with a pagan God that Christians connected Christmas with a pagan holiday?
You must not have clicked the links I provided. Apart from Jesus replacing Sol Invictus, a pagan god whose birthday was Dec 25 (connected to the winter solstice where the sun is at its lowest point in the sky for 3 days before being resurrected), in some cases he was actually equated to the old pagan god, even in artwork in St Peter’s Basilica. See here Jesus is the sun and is being pulled by horse drawn chariots across the sky.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:46 am to Mo Jeaux
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*you’re. And what do you mean by giving into his point?
whoops sorry for the typo.
Squirlemister is claiming that Christians based Christmas on a pagan holiday. Unless he is just saying isn't that a cool coincidence, he seems to be arguing that Christianity is BS and just a recycled version of other pagan holidays.
I hold that traditionally Christians have celebrated the birth of Christ on December 25th. Does that mean he was necessarily born on December 25th? No, does it really matter what day he was born? No. We don't celebrate the day of his resurrection the same day every year.
Is it possible that Christians saw this pagan holiday said let's make Christmas the same day to try and convert pagans. Sure it could have happened that way, but I don't see any evidence that it happened that way, why I'm asking him to show me the evidence, other than it sharing a date.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:48 am to Squirrelmeister
sorry didn't look at your links. My bad. I'll look into them now.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:48 am to catholictigerfan
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Sure it could have happened that way, but I don't see any evidence that it happened that way, why I'm asking him to show me the evidence, other than it sharing a date.
So was it just random?
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:48 am to Mo Jeaux
It’s more about the winter solstice and the daylights cycle of growing longer than about a pagan holiday, even though the pagan holiday likely has its roots during this time period for the same reason.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:50 am to Mo Jeaux
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So you believe that there was no morality or morals before Christianity?
There are no anything before Christianity. Christ is eternal. Moses had faith in Christ. Moses was a Christian.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:51 am to Padme
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It’s more about the winter solstice and the daylights cycle of growing longer than about a pagan holiday
I mean, what do you think the pagan holiday was about? quote:
even though the pagan holiday likely has its roots during this time period for the same reason.
Nah, Christianity was the newcomer.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:52 am to Hester Carries
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There are no anything before Christianity. Christ is eternal. Moses had faith in Christ. Moses was a Christian.
Moses wasn’t real, and even if he was, he most assuredly wasn’t a Christian as you know it.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:53 am to Big Gorilla
Immorality is what destroyed the Roman Empire so yes, you are right.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:54 am to Esquire
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Christianity is pro-slavery
I must have missed that message in the last 50 years of attending Mass.
Is there an after church get together to buy and sell slaves?
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:54 am to Mo Jeaux
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Moses wasn’t real, and even if he was, he most assuredly wasn’t a Christian as you know it.
I literally explained my full thoughts in the post you quoted.
Christ is eternal. Those that came before him that have faith in him are Christians just the same as those after. Moses falls into this category. As does Abraham and David.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:55 am to Cuz413
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I must have missed that message in the last 50 years of attending Mass.
Yep, never been to a church that preached slavery.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:56 am to Squirrelmeister
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See here Jesus is the sun and is being pulled by horse drawn chariots across the sky.
Looks like he’s being pushed, not pulled.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:56 am to catholictigerfan
Yeah it' long read but just take the time and read it. I promise you it will change your outlook upon life . You may think it's crazy ,I did at first but my inner soul keeps telling me this is truth. Think about why the whole world celebrities Christmas like it does but most are not Christians. It's says in the Bible to celebrate Jesus's death not his birth.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 8:56 am to Hester Carries
Indeed he was. I had people arguing with me that satanist were more a result of Abrahamic literature than Christianity. Yet Genesis 3:15 is the first revelation of Christianity. Christianity didn’t begin when the incarnate God came to Bethlehem because Christ predates Satan. Christianity just began to be revealed for mankind.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 9:01 am to Mo Jeaux
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So was it just random?
it could have been but there are some who argue that this pagan holiday was developed later than the Christmas holiday.
For example Hippolytus of Rome who lived from 170AD to 235 AD.
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For the first advent of our Lord in the flesh, when he was born in Bethlehem, was December 25th, Wednesday, while Augustus was in his forty-second year, but from Adam, five thousand and five hundred years. He suffered in the thirty-third year, March 25th, Friday, the eighteenth year of Tiberius Caesar, while Rufus and Roubellion were Consuls.
according to the OP link the pagan holiday started after that.
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the tradition of The Roman emperor Aurelian created the cult of Sol Invictus during his reign in AD 270-275
If both statements are true, then Christmas started before this pagan holiday. I would say it is more likely that the pagans copied Christians if this were true.
I'll admit history this old is difficult to pin down, because so much has been lost.
Posted on 12/25/23 at 9:02 am to Mo Jeaux
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Nah, Christianity was the newcomer.
Does it really matter which came first? You want dibbs?
Ok, granted
Posted on 12/25/23 at 9:04 am to Squirrelmeister
Merry Christmas, even to you…
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