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Need some advice on training my lab
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:49 pm
So a little insight on what I’ve got going on. I’m currently following Freddie kings videos on YouTube, My dog is about to be 7th months old and he is a bumper crazy fool. I have his obedience down. We’re currently working on “place” and have been for the past 3 weeks training once a day in the evening and 3 times a day on the weekend 15 minutes at a time so I 100% KNOW that he knows what place means. 95% of the time when I tell him place he loafs and then will turn around and look at me like I’m stupid and it takes me being stern with him to get him up there and then the other 5% he does ok. When I say “here” he flies back to me. So the last few days he’s gotten a little more pep in his step so I felt it was time to start collar conditioning him. Today I put the collar on him (level 2) continuous and said “here” he ran right to me. Said “place” continuous stimulation again and he went 100% stupid. Wouldn’t go to place unless I was 1ft away from it and never once got any kind of positive result out of it. I understand this isn’t fun for him so my question is should I say screw this drill and collar condition him some other way or fight through this??
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:01 pm to TigersBy90
Just buy the book "water dog" and don't deviate at all from what it says. The dog will turn out great.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 6:17 am to TigersBy90
I’m no expert, but don’t try to collar condition on a command he isn’t 100% at. Take it slow. Keep practicing place, but don’t use the collar. Try to figure out a different way to make place fun for him.
Retrievertraining.net is a good resource also. I’d ask your question there for better advice. But be careful because it’s the internet, and plenty of people offer bad advice. There’s plenty of methods for training retrievers, and at a place like this, everyone is going to tell you what worked for them, which may not line up with Freddie’s methods.
Retrievertraining.net is a good resource also. I’d ask your question there for better advice. But be careful because it’s the internet, and plenty of people offer bad advice. There’s plenty of methods for training retrievers, and at a place like this, everyone is going to tell you what worked for them, which may not line up with Freddie’s methods.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 6:25 am to TigersBy90
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Today I put the collar on him (level 2) continuous and said “here” he ran right to me. Said “place” continuous stimulation again and he went 100% stupid. Wouldn’t go to place unless I was 1ft away from it and never once got any kind of positive result out of it.
Sounds like he knows what the command is because he does it when your stern.
Go through the same scenario and this time if he don’t listen the first time put him in his kennel immediately no fussing no anything. Let him sit for two beers or 30min and try it again repeat a few times.
Fetching is fun and sitting in a kennel is not, some times trying to “beat it into them “ with more reps is not the answer.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 7:37 am to TigersBy90
He's probably still young enough to try a reward based approach instead of a consequence based approach.
It works better with females but try going over board on positive reinforcement and maybe a training treat when properly executing a command.
Some dogs work better when they know they are making you happy
This is also a better approach when your dog is a Pet/Hunting companion rather than a Travel Ball Lab that is only used as a tool
It works better with females but try going over board on positive reinforcement and maybe a training treat when properly executing a command.
Some dogs work better when they know they are making you happy
This is also a better approach when your dog is a Pet/Hunting companion rather than a Travel Ball Lab that is only used as a tool
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 7:38 am
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:47 am to TigersBy90
I don’t believe in the collar. I trained mine to the whistle. Used the “Wildrose Way”. Just remember to master every single step
Of the process before moving on, slow is fast and fast is slow.
Also, one thing you may want to try is alternating where you train. It can be a pain especially if you are trying to get it done after work with limited day light, but dogs are very place (not the place you are talking about) oriented. Labs especially can get bored retrieving in same area over and over. At minimum, try and change their perspective. Good luck! Nothing more rewarding
Of the process before moving on, slow is fast and fast is slow.
Also, one thing you may want to try is alternating where you train. It can be a pain especially if you are trying to get it done after work with limited day light, but dogs are very place (not the place you are talking about) oriented. Labs especially can get bored retrieving in same area over and over. At minimum, try and change their perspective. Good luck! Nothing more rewarding
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:43 pm to TigersBy90
My advice is to pick up Lardy’s Total E-Collar Conditioning dvd. Watch it and make sure you understand it thoroughly.
Posted on 12/16/23 at 12:02 pm to TigersBy90
Are you using a place board ?
Posted on 12/16/23 at 10:03 pm to TigersBy90
If you are going to force fetch him (which I highly recommend) use Evan Graham methodology Smart Works.
As far as the collar goes, he needs to be collar broken first. He needs to understand pressure and how to turn the pressure off. The collar is pressure.
As far as the collar goes, he needs to be collar broken first. He needs to understand pressure and how to turn the pressure off. The collar is pressure.
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