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Both the DJ30 Industrial Average and the S&P500 Index set new closing highs for 2023...

Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:17 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133665 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:17 pm
...for the second consecutive Friday.

The DJ30 Industrial Avg closed at 36,247.87 and the S&P500 Index closed at 4,604.37.

Last Friday, the DJ30 closed at 36,245.50 and the S&P500 closed at 4,594.63.
This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 11:42 am
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 4:06 pm to
Market is on a tear.

What you call the DJIA is starting to irrationally bother me.
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16866 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:34 pm to
Yay, wall street wins while main street is going under.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61304 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:04 pm to
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while main street is going under.


Tell us more about this
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6133 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:13 pm to
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Tell us more about this


50% of the country doesn't own stocks. So these stock market rallies do nothing for half of the people, and inflation of prices has brutalized average and poor families. Wealthier people offset the pain of inflation by having their stock portfolio grow, main street only has pain.
Posted by Oizers
Member since Nov 2009
2688 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:59 pm to
Bitcoin broke $44,000.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133665 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 12:20 am to
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50% of the country doesn't own stocks. So these stock market rallies do nothing for half of the people,

61% of Americans Own Stocks
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WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Gallup finds 61% of Americans reporting that they own stock, based on its April Economy and Personal Finance survey. This is up from the 56% measured in 2021 and 55% measured in 2020, and is the highest it has been since 2008.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6133 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 8:24 am to
You really got me on that 11%, and consider that 61% factors in every single person who's contributed a single dollar to a 401k plan.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94811 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 8:29 am to
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You really got me on that 11%, and consider that 61% factors in every single person who's contributed a single dollar to a 401k plan.



Impressive saltiness.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6133 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 9:05 am to
A lot of people on this board are indignant pricks
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133665 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 9:58 am to
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You really got me on that 11%
That 11% represents more than 30,000,000 more Americans who own stocks than what you claimed. That’s NOT an insignificant number.

You seem disappointed that the stock market is doing well. Why is that? Is it because you’re being left out?
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6133 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 11:20 am to
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You seem disappointed that the stock market is doing well. Why is that? Is it because you’re being left out?



No, I was simply explaining the answer to the question but it seems a lot of people are too up their own arse to even acknowledge a factual explanation.

Inflation has been a bitch, everything costs more. Luckily, the stock markets have been resilient and grown so that top 33% of the country has reaped great benefit which minimizes inflation pain. The bottom 39% is still scraping by, and gets no stock market gain but all the inflation pain. The middle 29% probably has an average of under 5k in the stock market and is getting almost no benefit but all inflation pain.

So when someone says "explain how Wall Street wins while Main Street goes under" that's the exact explanation. It's not something you can just dismiss because it's not your personal reality.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133665 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 12:46 pm to
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to even acknowledge a factual explanation.
Except your “facts” were wrong.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6133 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 1:55 pm to
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Except your “facts” were wrong.


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The bottom 50% of U.S. adults holds only 0.6% of stocks, worth $21 billion.


LINK

Sorry that I was off by that .6% and you refused to see past that to acknowledge the acutal point.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133665 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 2:43 pm to
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Sorry that I was off by that .6%
But you weren't off by .6%. You were off by 11%, 61% vs. 50%.

Or put another way, you had a margin of error of over 20%. (11%/50%=22%)

You didn't say "the bottom 50% of U.S. adults holds a small fraction of U.S. stocks."

You said, "50% of the country doesn't own stocks." And that is simply an inaccurate statement by a factor of over 20% MOE.

Frankly, I'm not sure why you even made your original statement in the first place. Maybe you're just one of those people who can't be happy unless you're miserable, i.e., a perpetual victim.

"Main Street" is NOT suffering, not with 3.7% unemployment and with wage growth increasing by more than the inflation rate this year. LINK

And the average family's net worth has increased more in the past 3 years (+37%) than in any three-year period since records have been kept.

In addition, factor in the fact that the wealth gap between rich and poor in the U.S. narrowed slightly during that three-year period LINK and it makes your "Main Street is suffering" statement unsupported hyperbole.

Sure, some people may not be benefiting from the current economy as much as other people, but that is ALWAYS true in every economic cycle. If you're waiting for that situation to change, you're going to be waiting for the rest of your life.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6133 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 4:08 pm to
I'm really not sure why you're digging in so deep on such a stupid stance.

I say "half the country doesn't own stocks". You say "ha you fricking idiot, only 39% of the country doesn't own stocks". I say okay, I was a. little bit off, so 39% of the country doesn't own stocks and the next 11% owns .6%, so 50% of the country owns essentially no stocks (unless you're considering .6% a meaningful amount?). That is a statistically insignificant number in a conversation regarding several trillion dollars.

To your points:
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Frankly, I'm not sure why you even made your original statement in the first place.
For the second time, someone asked for an explanation of why Main Street is purportedly suffering vs Wall Street getting a boon. This is the answer.
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Maybe you're just one of those people who can't be happy unless you're miserable, i.e., a perpetual victim.

I have no clue where you're getting this from. I'm in great shape. I bought in a long time ago. I'm pleased with the results. They call this an ad hominem by the way.
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"Main Street" is NOT suffering

This is an absolutely foolish statement that can only be made by someone disconnected from reality. I take it you just don't get around and talk with people in different situations than you. Not a single person on the lower end of the economic spectrum would agree with you.
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wage growth increasing by more than the inflation rate this year.

Those inflation numbers are being goosed to make the administration and Fed look better. They leave out energy and food which is where the two largest increases have been. Families are struggling to keep food on the table and talk about it all the time, but tell me again how they're not suffering.

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the average family's net worth has increased more in the past 3 years (+37%) than in any three-year period since records have been kept.
This is because of two main factors:

1 House values have shot through the roof at unheard of levels. People who already owned a house or multiple saw a massive uptick in net worth. The Wall Street crowd if you will. Most people in their primary residence without an easy capacity to up and move can't easily extract that value; you know, the Main Street crowd.

2 The stock market has risen sharply, greatly benefiting 50% of the country who owns 99.4% of the stocks but not doing much for the other half of the country that owns .6% of the stocks. Just FYI sensible people would equate .6% to being practically zero and not hyper fixate.

Again, all of this ties back to explaining the exceedingly simple point that apparently set your world on fire that a stock market rally as inflation persists benefits Wall Street and does nothing for Main Street.

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Sure, some people may not be benefiting from the current economy as much as other people, but that is ALWAYS true in every economic cycle. If you're waiting for that situation to change, you're going to be waiting for the rest of your life.

Okay? I don't care? Who does? I didn't say there was anything wrong or unfair in the system. I was truly just explaining THAT IT IS HAPPENING.

Anyway, best of luck in your next attempt at learning.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61304 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:30 pm to
I think this is a simple situation of you trying to claim things are worse in general with the economy that it really is.
No hard feelings.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133665 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:12 pm to
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Not a single person on the lower end of the economic spectrum would agree with you.
When in the history of the world would someone "on the lower end of the economic spectrum" NOT be experiencing economic suffering? Res ipsa locquitur...
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40326 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:20 pm to
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Those inflation numbers are being goosed to make the administration and Fed look better. They leave out energy and food which is where the two largest increases have been.


Oh boy lmao
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6133 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:34 pm to
Honestly all I was trying to state was that when inflation and stocks both go up, people without stocks don’t benefit while people with them do.

A small disagreement about stock ownership stats expanded, but everything else is probably subjective.
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