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Herb’s 3 point shot has come a long way

Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:45 pm
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:45 pm
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Herb Jones has started this season shooting 7 of 13 from three (including preseason) after finishing last season shooting 23 of 49. He’s a 47% 3p shooter since March 1st.

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Herb’s 16 of 26 from 3 since April 1st (62%).

If his shooting continues at this 40% rate, he will overtake Bridges as the best value contract in the NBA before this season is up.

I have not reason to believe he can’t keep it up either, he has way more arc on his shot this year than last.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:55 pm to
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If his shooting continues at this 40% rate,


He's a better version of Jimmy Butler if that happens.

We don't even need him to do that, we just need him to at least be a threat from deep to unclog the paint.

I'm sick of seeing 4 guys collapse in the paint when Zion has the ball because they are not worried at all about our perimeter threats. It was maddening last night when we had Zion on the floor yesterday and our two guards were Kira and Dyson. You're literally telling their defense to stay inside the arc.
Posted by LilWezyAna
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 7:03 pm to
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He's a better version of Jimmy Butler if that happens.

Bro are you on shrooms?
Posted by jamal
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 7:26 pm to
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He's a better version of Jimmy Butler if that happens.

Listen I love Herb but no
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 7:42 pm to
If Herb is shooting 40% from 3, meaning he's one of the better 3pt shooters in the game on top of All-NBA level defense... yeah.

Now, I don't think he will be shooting over 40% from 3, so it's besides the point.


Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 7:50 pm to
Stop it. Jimmy Butler is a bonafide superstar and almost impossible to guard on offense. Jrue Holiday had a tough time guarding him. Herb is amazing but he will never be close to Jimmy Butler.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 7:54 pm to
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Jimmy Butler is a bonafide superstar


Took him like 7-8 years to reach that point.

Herb can totally be that down the line if, again, he is hitting over 40% from three. But again, I'm not sure that's in his game.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 7:57 pm to
Jimmy Butler does not hit 40% from 3. Hes great one on one player- almost unguardable. That is not who Herb is at all.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:01 pm to
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Jimmy Butler does not hit 40% from 3


Which is why I said "better version"

Herb already is good at driving and finishing around the rim, better than he is giving credit for. If he adds a consistent 3-ball, he will be tough to guard. His second jump is also better than anyone on this team not named Zion.

But again, it's a longshot that he is shooting 40% from 3 at a high volume.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:06 pm to
Bro Herb literally has the worst defender on him every game. All his threes are basically wide open. He is not a one on one player. Hes great in transition and cuts well, but if he played one on one with a decent defender he would get murdered. Again I love Herb but him shooting 40 percent will NOT propel him to become a better version of Jimmy Butler.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:15 pm to
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All his threes are basically wide open.


Which... y'know... is why I said I doubt it happens.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:26 pm to
Yeah. I mean lets just say Herb becomes Lebron but then say I doubt it happens. No offense, but the whole Herb can become Jimmy Butler based on if Herb hits open 3s is just a bad take. I don’t think you have any idea how good of a player Jimmy Butler is- if you literally told Herb Jones you could become Jimmy Butler- he would literally say I think you’re crazy.
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:30 pm to
Since you guys brought up Herb's 3-pt game...I feel OK with throwing in the following.

I thought Herb would end up being a "dedicated" corner 3 type guy in the NBA...and shoot 80/90% of his 3s from the corner. Usually can add 3-4% to a players shooting % if he only shoots corner 3s. Thought it might be the only way he could avoid being a net negative on the offensive end. I was wrong.

Pels have shown no inclination to make Herb a corner 3 guy. Thus far in his career, he has basically shot only 50% of his 3s from the corner & his 3-pt shooting % has been VERY close to the same % from the corner as it has from the break and beyond. This is actually a fairly big deal for a player like Herb as it makes him a much more valuable player on the court. There are several downsides...to having a dedicated corner 3-pt guy. It needs to be avoided, whenever possible. Thus far, Herb has avoided being stuck as that kind of an offensive player.








Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:36 pm to
Supposedly corner 3s are a big part of Borrego’s offense. I think it was Joel who was saying Herb in practice seems automatic from there. I think as this season progresses you’ll see him shoot more corner 3s. I don’t agree that if a guy shoots corner 3s, it limits him. Not quite understanding why you would think that? The corner 3 is the easiest 3 in basketball, why would someone learning to shoot corner 3s have an issue progressing his game elsewhere?
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:46 pm to
It limits him (& hurts the team) IF he's a dedicated corner 3-pt guy & shoots 80/90% of his 3s ONLY from the corner. He basically has no offense, if the other team chooses to guard him. Turn on TNT & watch Tucker with the 76ers...a perfect example.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:54 pm to
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Butler based on if Herb hits open 3s is just a bad take.


You're oversimplifying.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:56 pm to
But Herb was never like PJ even in his rookie year. Herb even as a rookie played point forward, cuts regularly and is great in transition. He did this in Bama too. I get what your saying as im glad pelicans didn’t box him in from the beginning but I think Herb had skills that PJ never had even before he came to the pels. So personally I don’t think if he dedicated himself to becoming a corner 3 shooter that the other aspects of his game would disappear. PJ is also an old vet(38) and has lost a lot of his athleticism so looking at him now is a bad comparison.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:00 pm to
No I’m not. That is exactly your take in fewer words. Butler in his fourth year averaged 20 points a game. If Herb hits 40 percent of his 3s this year you think he’ll be averaging 20 points next year? If your answer is no then it makes no sense comparing him to Butler.
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
2291 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:20 pm to
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So personally I don’t think if he dedicated himself to becoming a corner 3 shooter that the other aspects of his game would disappear.


I think I'm probably doing a lousy job of explaining what I mean by a "dedicated corner 3-pt shooter". It's really not a decision the player makes...the team just decides that a player is so limited on offense that the best way to hide him on that end of the court...is to just stick him the corner (let him practice shooting ONLY standstill 3-pt shots all day every day) and tell him to basically only shoot that shot during a game. Many teams have used this method to hide certain players...but it DOES have a fairly huge downside and should only be used as a last resort.

I, of course, agree that the open corner 3-pt shot is the 2nd best shot in basketball (after the dunk or layup)...but it needs to come in the natural flow of the game...and NOT by ONLY one particular player.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:23 pm to
I can agree to that. In that sense, I do give Pels coaching staff lot of credit understanding that Herb has other skills and not technically limiting his potential by purposefully fitting him in that role. And also agree it probably will benefit him in the long run.
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