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re: Some thoughts on the mentally ill, violence and mass shootings.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:30 pm to Pandy Fackler
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:30 pm to Pandy Fackler
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I'm not "looking for excuses". In fact, I'm saying mental illness isn't a contributing factor in all this.
My comment wasn’t aimed at you. Apologies.
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:31 pm to mmcgrath
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This guy was hearing voices. He was mentally ill. Not all mass shooters are mentally ill, but this guy definitely was.
And the Tranny kid in Nashville…..mentally ill
And the Uvalde kid that killed cats and posted it in FaceBook….mentally ill
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:32 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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And the Tranny kid in Nashville…..mentally ill And the Uvalde kid that killed cats and posted it in FaceBook….mentally ill
Yet nothing will be done to prevent these people from accessing weapons. ‘Murica!
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:32 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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And the Tranny kid in Nashville…..mentally ill
And the manifesto *still* hasn't been released. For reasons.
Certain subsets of our society who are mentally ill will be defended at all costs.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:33 pm to TCO
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Yet nothing will be done to prevent these people from accessing weapons. ‘Murica!
There's a reason why they were ignored, despite the overwhelming evidence. I'll let you figure out why.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:37 pm to shel311
Stanford esteemed professor, Robert Sapolsky, would argue that free will doesn’t exist and a person who becomes a murderer is not responsible for how he/she acts.
The Brian can be broken via trauma or mental illnesses. I think most healthy individuals have a sense of empathy for their fellow neighbor. I do also believe that Satan can possess some individuals .
Either way, there are usually warning signs that bizarre behavior can occur with a potential serial killer. Maybe more mental hospitals need to be funded. Not sure how you keep these potential monsters off the street without violating their rights.
The Brian can be broken via trauma or mental illnesses. I think most healthy individuals have a sense of empathy for their fellow neighbor. I do also believe that Satan can possess some individuals .
Either way, there are usually warning signs that bizarre behavior can occur with a potential serial killer. Maybe more mental hospitals need to be funded. Not sure how you keep these potential monsters off the street without violating their rights.
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:38 pm to Centinel
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The question you're not asking for whatever reason, is why, prior to the early 90s, were these types of shootings exceptionally rare, even though access to firearms were *much* easier?
What changed?
I don't know.
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:40 pm to Pandy Fackler
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I don't know.
Then we should probably be focusing on that over the incessant need to ban the ownership and usage of firearms, seeing as how it's harder today to own and use said firearms, yet mass shootings are more common now.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:40 pm to Pandy Fackler
I don’t know how it can be said guns used to be more accessible than today. They didn’t have big box stores on every corner back in ‘75
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:43 pm to Centinel
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Then we should probably be focusing on that over the incessant need to ban the ownership and usage of firearms, seeing as how it's harder today to own and use said firearms, yet mass shootings are more common now.
I don't endorse banning firearms. In fact, there are unavoidable social consequences that come with the preservation of all of our individual rights.
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:44 pm to Pandy Fackler
There is no answer for these types as they are beyond treatable - medications do not work, therapy does not work. They are to be contained as they are a clear danger to society. There is a void, an absence in their character/personality for whatever reason(s) and it cannot be fashioned nor re-habbed as it is not present...it is gone, hence, they are gone and if left unchecked, to prey upon others
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:44 pm to LSURussian
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War and Peace was shorter than your post...
So what? Not everything can be fit into a Lunchable package. The great problems of society need deep and wide-ranging thought. It's not a McDonald's happy meal.
If it's too long, skip over.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:44 pm to Centinel
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how it's harder today to own and use said firearms
I don’t believe this to be true at all
-big box stores on every corner selling guns
-firearm conventions are now a thing
-indoor shooting ranges popping up everywhere
-locally owned gun shops and pawn shops literally saturated in every town
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:45 pm to TCO
what does any of that have to do with your nonsensical assumption of there being an easier access to firearms?
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:46 pm to Pandy Fackler
A total breakdown in the institutions that promote health and wellness
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:46 pm to TCO
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I don’t know how it can be said guns used to be more accessible than today.
Let me help you:
1934 NFA
1938 FFA
1968 Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act
1968 GCA
1986 FOPA
1988 Undectable Firearms Act
1990 Guns-Free School Zone Act
1993 "Brady Bill"
Prior to all of these, mass shootings were virtually non-existent, yet all of these laws massively impacted the ability of your average citizen to purchase and own firearms.
Yet mass shootings increased exponentially after all of these laws were passed.
It's almost like the firearm isn't the issue.....but someone like you will never see that. You are incapable of understanding it's not the tool purely because of your politics.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:46 pm to TCO
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I don’t know how it can be said guns used to be more accessible than today. They didn’t have big box stores on every corner back in ‘75
Well I think what he means is that they were cheaper and although easily accessible today. Decades ago, even in liberal states, you could easily purchase guns.
Now it's regional. Only in the south and parts of the west is it easy to purchase a firearm.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:49 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Bipolar disorder, chronic paranoid schizophrenia, major depression or other such illnesses don't cause or contribute to these horrible events.
Not contribute? They may not be the only factor but not sure how you can say they don't or can't contribute. And in some cases literal structural damage to the brain or illness has been cited as contributing factors.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:50 pm to wfallstiger
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There is no answer for these types as they are beyond treatable - medications do not work, therapy does not work. They are to be contained as they are a clear danger to society. There is a void, an absence in their character/personality for whatever reason(s) and it cannot be fashioned nor re-habbed as it is not present...it is gone, hence, they are gone and if left unchecked, to prey upon others
I agree and you've encapsulated my entire post.
They don't do these things because they're sick. They do these things because they're void of the traits that make us human.
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 10/26/23 at 6:52 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Now it's regional. Only in the south and parts of the west is it easy to purchase a firearm.
I don't even think this is a correct statement. There are massive regulatory hurdles that you have to pass to purchase a firearm today, even in the most gun-friendly states.
Yet mass shootings just keep on going up. Like I said, it's almost like it's not the gun but something else....
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