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SARMs - Anyone use them?
Posted on 10/24/23 at 7:50 am
Posted on 10/24/23 at 7:50 am
Does anyone have experience with SARMs supplements?
Stands for selective androgen receptor modulator and are supposed to have anabolic effects without significant adverse reactions.
Heard about them recently and curious as the boards opinions.
Stands for selective androgen receptor modulator and are supposed to have anabolic effects without significant adverse reactions.
Heard about them recently and curious as the boards opinions.
Posted on 10/24/23 at 8:40 am to LintLicker
i mean think of them as weak(in some cases) steroids. there are a bunch of them that do different things.
most of the anabolic ones though will shut your natural testosterone production down
my opinion has always been....i dont feel its worth the long term side effects of using anything like this unless you make money from your body. most people can achieve the body and strength they want by simply being consistent and following a simple progressive overload program and proper diet.
but at the same time if you are going to use something, i would rather see you use a bioidentical hormone like testosterone starting at around 300mg/week. if you want to add something, add mk677 at 20mg/day assuming you are bulking.
if you are cutting, that is different and you really shouldnt need anything. just diet and consistency.
most of the anabolic ones though will shut your natural testosterone production down
my opinion has always been....i dont feel its worth the long term side effects of using anything like this unless you make money from your body. most people can achieve the body and strength they want by simply being consistent and following a simple progressive overload program and proper diet.
but at the same time if you are going to use something, i would rather see you use a bioidentical hormone like testosterone starting at around 300mg/week. if you want to add something, add mk677 at 20mg/day assuming you are bulking.
if you are cutting, that is different and you really shouldnt need anything. just diet and consistency.
Posted on 10/24/23 at 4:43 pm to LintLicker
Yeah I think if you have weighed the pros and cons of anabolics and choose to pursue them, you would be better off using testosterone than SARMs. The risks and benefits are well known and predictable with T, not the case with SARMS
This post was edited on 10/24/23 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 10/24/23 at 5:30 pm to NewOrleansBlend
SARMs and steroids are pretty much one in the same. You do damage to your natural test production with either one.
Posted on 10/24/23 at 8:57 pm to tenderfoot tigah
While true it’s always advisable to have a test base to avoid low test symptoms
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:29 am to lsu777
Question, how good was the OTC stuff that Mark McGwire had in his locker. I think it was Andro or something like that.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:17 am to TheChicotKid
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Question, how good was the OTC stuff that Mark McGwire had in his locker. I think it was Andro or something like that.
He wasn't using that. He was using it as a cover for what he was really using. Nothing can replace actual Anabolics or Androgens. Guys like Patrick Arnold were able to skirt around the rules and make otc products that would 'convert' to something in the body and even then they were crap. Just get the real thing. I got out of the game before SARMS were mainstream so can't comment on those. Seems to be a ton of them out there.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:33 am to ronricks
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He wasn't using that. He was using it as a cover for what he was really using. Nothing can replace actual Anabolics or Androgens. Guys like Patrick Arnold were able to skirt around the rules and make otc products that would 'convert' to something in the body and even then they were crap. Just get the real thing. I got out of the game before SARMS were mainstream so can't comment on those. Seems to be a ton of them out there.
you are right and wrong.
he was using anabolics but even he wasnt and was using what was in the locker
1) the original 4-andro was a 1 step conversion not a 3 or 4 step like the products are now. OG 4-andro could get you to the same test levels as taking shots of test. plenty of people were getting bloodwork with 5-6k total test levels. Unfortunate it got banned as it worked well as a oral test, really well
2) the second product he supposedly used was 1-andro. 1-andro was a single cleave conversion to 1-Testosterone or DHB. its an awesome steroid that causes lots of PIP after injection and is notorious for that. Designer supplements was making it as injectable at the time and many were having better gains from the 1-andro as it had intrinsic activity on its own. The 1-andro on the market today are 4 steps.
Pat has talked about it quite a bit before covid made him become a fricking lunatic.
the pro hormones back then were not really prohormones and were more just steroids that were never made commercially available so they were not on the OG 1992 ban list. Superdrol or methylated masteron is one of the strongest steroids every created...perfectly legal until like 2009 to buy on the shelf. Same with methylated 1-test (m1t).
the prohormones that were out were 1 step conversions that were easily converted or were used in a transdermal. guys got awesome results and Pat was the best at creating these products
now....shite today are totally different. but many of the sarms like lgd and rad140 are very strong but also not nearly as safe as something like injectable test.
now as far as mark goes, mark was taking steroids back in the 80s, even as far back as his USC days once he became a full time hitter/position player. Once he got to oakland he was being supplied by Jose.
did he take 4-andro...prolly in between cycles. prolly the same with 1-andro. but i dont believe that he built his size with them. plenty of others did, but he didnt.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:46 am to LintLicker
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SARMs - Anyone use them?
My 18 year old nephew says it's all the rage for kids his age on Tik Tok so I would imagine it's pretty good.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 9:58 am to lsu777
Appreciate it fellas, this place is a wealth of knowledge.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:27 pm to lsu777
What about Cardarine?
Pill or nasty liquid? Which is best?
Pill or nasty liquid? Which is best?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 2:32 pm to Blutarsky
doesnt matter, that is just the vehicle to deliver the powder.
as far as cardarine, keep dosage at 20mg or below.
as far as cardarine, keep dosage at 20mg or below.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 3:29 pm to tenderfoot tigah
Yeah, but clomid is also extremely cheap.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 1:27 pm to LemmyLives
I took Rad140 (15mg) and GW501516 (20mg) daily for 60 days this summer. Was hitting the gym 4-5 days a week and running 2-3 days/week. There was a noticeable difference in appearance and performance at the end. Did a 30 day cycle of some OTC after (the name escapes me). Planned to do another cycle but broke my toe which sidelined me. Probably start it up again here soon, have the pills already.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:32 pm to beaux duke
you need to be careful with that man. rad is very hard on lipids and you are crashing your testosterone everytime you use rad. you need to have a testosterone base and use a proper pct which includes at least 1 serm and hcg.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 2:56 pm to lsu777
Appreciate the intel. I notice you recommended MK677 above - I considered that one but didn't. Would you feel better about swapping that for the RAD?
Posted on 11/2/23 at 3:21 pm to beaux duke
Depends on goals, height weight, lifting stats age
Posted on 11/2/23 at 4:02 pm to lsu777
If you don't mind opining on this - I took the GW501516 because it seemed to have the most benefit for running/endurance. I'm a competitive trail runner. Took the RAD simply because it seemed to be the most popular option out there. Wanted to get my arms and chest more defined.
When I run I run 5-15 miles. At the gym I have a routine but it's just made up. Do a cycle of 8 machines, 5 sets of 10 with various weights that vary from 50-125 lbs.
I'm 50, 5'10", 175 lbs.
When I run I run 5-15 miles. At the gym I have a routine but it's just made up. Do a cycle of 8 machines, 5 sets of 10 with various weights that vary from 50-125 lbs.
I'm 50, 5'10", 175 lbs.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 5:42 pm to beaux duke
Being 50, I would not suggest mk677. Mk is a ghrelin agonist which will cause your pituitary gland to produce growth hormone well it will make your releases much greater as it’s a ghrh. Problem is it makes you very tired and very hungry. Also makes you hold lots of water and tends to cause blood sugar levels to rise.
Great if you are a young guy needing to bulk, not for what you want. When I say it makes you hungry, I mean it makes you ravenous where you can’t get satisfied even after eating like 4000 calories. It’s crazy.
Rad or any other true sarm( yk11 is a steroid, mk677 and GW are not really sarms) unless you were taking supplements to fix and maintain healthy lipid levels
Also wouldn’t unless you were on TRT.
For your specific case, I would use GW when you need a boost for the endurance and ghrh/ghrp injectable peptides along with bpc to fix the injury
Most other things could be solved with you learning the barbell lifts and getting on a proper program. I think you would be shocked at the results to be honest.
Great if you are a young guy needing to bulk, not for what you want. When I say it makes you hungry, I mean it makes you ravenous where you can’t get satisfied even after eating like 4000 calories. It’s crazy.
Rad or any other true sarm( yk11 is a steroid, mk677 and GW are not really sarms) unless you were taking supplements to fix and maintain healthy lipid levels
Also wouldn’t unless you were on TRT.
For your specific case, I would use GW when you need a boost for the endurance and ghrh/ghrp injectable peptides along with bpc to fix the injury
Most other things could be solved with you learning the barbell lifts and getting on a proper program. I think you would be shocked at the results to be honest.
Posted on 11/2/23 at 8:17 pm to lsu777
Sincerely appreciated. Obviously I'm new to this board. Reading through some other threads on here it's clear you have a lot of knowledge to share and I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions.
One last one - any suggestions for a proper weight program? Again I'm not trying to get huge, just more endurance/get a little faster running and some more definition chest/arms. Thanks again
One last one - any suggestions for a proper weight program? Again I'm not trying to get huge, just more endurance/get a little faster running and some more definition chest/arms. Thanks again
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