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The Palestinian Dream Is Dying—and It's A Nightmare for Israel

Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:28 am
Posted by djmed
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:28 am
what a mess

The Palestinian Dream Is Dying—and It's A Nightmare for Israel

Just 30 years after the Oslo Accords set the stage for the formation of the first autonomous Palestinian leadership body to be recognized by Israel, the Palestinian National Authority (PA) stands on the brink of collapse, with dwindling territorial control, deteriorating popular support and no clear successor for its aging longtime leader.

And while Israel has also played an influential role in cultivating the conditions that have undermined the West Bank-based government led by 87-year-old President Mahmoud Abbas, deep uncertainties lie over what may come next for the peoples on both sides of a conflict that has commanded international attention for three quarters of a century.

"This is the worst point that I've seen the PA since its creation," Ghaith al-Omari, a former Palestinian National Authority official who previously served as an advisor to its negotiating team and is now a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, tells Newsweek.

"We often used to talk about the PA collapse as an abstract, a distant threat," he adds. "I think this is now a much more pressing concern. In many ways, we are witnessing the unraveling of the PA."

Should the PA collapse altogether, Omari predicts that, "at least for a couple generations, this will be the end of the Palestinian national movement."

With Despair Comes Death
Khaled Elgindy, also a former PA negotiations adviser who today serves as a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, agrees. With a growing gap between a fading generation of PLO founders and a rising population of disenfranchised Palestinians, Elgindy outlines a "kind of paradox, where everyone's uneasy about succession, but at the same time, the same people who are uneasy about succession are also uneasy about holding an election." Against this backdrop, Palestinians are increasingly losing hope that the PA will deliver upon its founding commitments.

"I think the level of despair that we now have among Palestinians in the occupied territories is a response to this realization that the dream of an independent Palestinian state has evaporated," Elgindy says, "and there's basically nothing left."

Though Israeli opponents to the Palestinian statehood project may be eager to celebrate such an outcome, he warns the accompanying hopelessness breeds even more violent eventualities.

"Imagine the mindset that goes into a 19-year-old who picks up a knife and tries to stab a soldier. We're talking about an act that operationally has zero value in military terms, and that will almost certainly result in his own death," Elgindy says. "And yet it is something that we see increasing, to car ramming, knifing attacks, shooting attacks, someone shoots an Israeli settler, the Israeli response is to level a section of a Palestinian refugee camp."

"Even when people know the consequences, the fact that they still engage in that sort of activity, I think speaks to the level of despair," he adds. "And we should be very, very afraid of despair, because people will do almost anything."

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Posted by SloaneRanger
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:36 am to
The Palestinians have done this to themselves.
Posted by Chief One Word
Eastern Washington State
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:44 am to
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The Palestinians have done this to themselves.

Hooking up with Hamas has been a disaster.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:46 am to
Statehood has been offered to the Palestinians time after time, and it has been refused every single time. At some point, you have to wonder if the PA's "founding commitments" are actually what you have been told they are.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:47 am to
What does a senior associate at the Middle East institute do on a day to day basis?
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
12807 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:48 am to
They had a golden opportunity to make peace, live in harmony with Israel and build a real country. Hell, they could have ridden the coat tails of Israel’s prosperity. But no, they chose the other route and are now fricked.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:52 am to
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What does a senior associate at the Middle East institute do on a day to day basis?


Senior Fellow. What does anyone in an academic or quasi-academic environment do? Some do more than others.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 9:54 am to
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Statehood has been offered to the Palestinians time after time,


Not really.
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:01 am to
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The Palestinians have done this to themselves.


30 years of corrupt leadership only concerned with self-enrichment will do that.

See also: every city in America
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
85333 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:07 am to
The Palestinians are wretched. If the Arab world actually cared, they wouldn’t be. But they prefer using them as a human wedge against Israel. So here we are.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:08 am to
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30 years of corrupt leadership only concerned with self-enrichment will do that.

This. It's very similar to metropolitan black populations consistently unable to elect responsible governments.

The reason is simple and was told to us in the 1700s. Democracy only works for a highly moral population. Even though America is not nearly as moral as it was, there is still a very high level of trust.

We destroyed the moral fiber of black communities when we instituted Great Society programs. They disproportionately made up the poor population and were intended to benefit. Instead they were undermined.
This post was edited on 9/26/23 at 10:11 am
Posted by Wtodd
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:08 am to
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The Palestinians have done this to themselves.

This
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:09 am to
Let's say 1700 years from now, Israel is the super power the US is today. And they fight a war in North America helping Mexico defeat Canada who have also become more powerful than they are today. Let's just say that after the war, Israel, the world's super power decides to annex The U.S. and give it to China, who helped Israel defeat Canada for Mexico in this hypothetical war. With the stroke of a pen, The U.S. which would've been a sovereign country for 2000 years becomes China overnight.

You think the U.S. citizens should just accept their fate and move on??
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:13 am to
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Penrod


Best post I've seen from you in awhile. Let's try to keep the trend going.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52243 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:14 am to
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Let's say 1700 years from now,

This didn't happen in the middle east. There was no sovereign country to annex and give away. It was tribal and very complex. Jews bought land and stitched together territory. Then they were attacked and conquered land. Nothing so simple as your example. Plenty of cocksuckers on both sides.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
12807 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:14 am to
Dude, really?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:16 am to
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Not really.


Yes, really. It is documented fact.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62466 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:16 am to
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Jews bought land and stitched together territory. Then they were attacked and conquered land.


All, that's all?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62466 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:18 am to
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Yes, really. It is documented fact.



Nope, but you can keep thinking that if you want to. It's not true at all, and if you have an even basic understanding of the negotiations then you're being disingenuous.
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 9/26/23 at 10:20 am to
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Let's say 1700 years from now, Israel is the super power the US is today. And they fight a war in North America helping Mexico defeat Canada who have also become more powerful than they are today. Let's just say that after the war, Israel, the world's super power decides to annex The U.S. and give it to China, who helped Israel defeat Canada for Mexico in this hypothetical war. With the stroke of a pen, The U.S. which would've been a sovereign country for 2000 years becomes China overnight.

You think the U.S. citizens should just accept their fate and move on??


I mean, no? Except your fan fiction has nothing to do with the state of "Palestine" as it is constituted today. Palestine hasn't been an independent political entity since... ever.
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