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New PC Advice
Posted on 9/4/23 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 9/4/23 at 7:55 pm
I'm looking to build a new PC, primarily for Starfield, but also because my current PC was built back in 2014, I believe. If any of you want to do a parts list I'd appreciate it, but my primary question is regarding video cards. I currently game at 1080p. If I buy a new PC I'm probably going to hold off upgrading monitors for a while, although I'd eventually like to move to at least 1440, if not 4k (Really, I'd want to move to 4k). I also want my PC to last a long while. I generally build a PC and run it until I can't (hence Starfield), so longevity is a factor, too.
It seems I could go with a 4070/4070ti vs a 4080/90 and have more than enough for Starfield. I'm just wondering if spending the extra money for the 80/90 is worth it given my preference for longevity & eventually moving to 4k? Also, from what I've read it seems like if I'm considering the 4080 I may as well get the 4090, as the price/performance increase is well worth it...that correct?
My price range is anywhere from $2k - $4k, if it's worth it. But I don't really want to go all out for a $3-4k PC if I can accomplish what I want for $2-2.5k.
Appreciate any help. (Because of how long I've used my PC, I'm pretty out of the loop when it comes to the newest technologies)
PS: I'd like to run a 13900k, 6000mhz RAM,
It seems I could go with a 4070/4070ti vs a 4080/90 and have more than enough for Starfield. I'm just wondering if spending the extra money for the 80/90 is worth it given my preference for longevity & eventually moving to 4k? Also, from what I've read it seems like if I'm considering the 4080 I may as well get the 4090, as the price/performance increase is well worth it...that correct?
My price range is anywhere from $2k - $4k, if it's worth it. But I don't really want to go all out for a $3-4k PC if I can accomplish what I want for $2-2.5k.
Appreciate any help. (Because of how long I've used my PC, I'm pretty out of the loop when it comes to the newest technologies)
PS: I'd like to run a 13900k, 6000mhz RAM,
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Posted on 9/4/23 at 8:52 pm to Tom288
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I'd like to run a 13900k,
junk. get a Ryzen 7 7800x3D.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 9:12 pm to Tom288
I’ll probably throw together a parts list tomorrow, but I’ll start with this: buy the GPU you need now, not the one you need in the future. If you want to move to 4k now, fine, we can sort through that. But if you’re not planning to do that for another 2-4 years, don’t try to shoot the moon on GPU now. The GPU you could buy in a few years for the same amount of money will crush whatever you buy now.
I also wouldn’t buy into Intel now, as the chipset is a dead end. Much rather buy into AM5 with AMD.
I also wouldn’t buy into Intel now, as the chipset is a dead end. Much rather buy into AM5 with AMD.
Posted on 9/4/23 at 10:16 pm to Tom288
Imo go for 1440p; it's still a huge upgrade over 1080p with ~78% more pixels.
Also if you get a monitor that has HDR then that's another significant improvement.
At 1440p with a 4080/4090, you'll be set gpu wise for several years. Then in the future you can upgrade monitor and gpu for 4K.
Also if you get a monitor that has HDR then that's another significant improvement.
At 1440p with a 4080/4090, you'll be set gpu wise for several years. Then in the future you can upgrade monitor and gpu for 4K.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 4:42 pm to gpburdell
Is it best to wait a couple years before going all in on a gaming PC?
Posted on 9/5/23 at 5:15 pm to LSUTitan99
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Is it best to wait a couple years before going all in on a gaming PC?
Can you give a bit more context for your question?
Posted on 9/5/23 at 6:05 pm to Tom288
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Appreciate any help. (Because of how long I've used my PC, I'm pretty out of the loop when it comes to the newest technologies)
I was the same, did a bunch of research and i ended up getting a prebuilt from Microcenter. They do a really good job and are highly reviewed for a prebuilt. It also takes away the GPU factor, which high end ones are still a pain in the arse to find.
PowerSpec G472 Gaming PC $2,300
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Intel Core i9 13900KF (3.0GHz)
G.Skill 32GB DDR5-5600 RAM
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Graphics Card
2TB SSD
2.5GbE LAN, 2x2 Wireless LAN WiFi 6 (802.11ax), Bluetooth 5.1
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 9/5/23 at 6:27 pm to barry
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It also takes away the GPU factor, which high end ones are still a pain in the arse to find.
This hasn't been a concern for about the last year or so. You can buy any GPU you want, pretty much whenever you want at this point.
Anyway, just spec'd out a substantially similar PC ("minor" components aren't labeled, so I did what I could). Came out a bit over $300 cheaper, and that's after unnecessarily adding $100 for a Windows license:
PCPartPicker Part List: LINK
CPU: Intel Core i9-13900KF 3 GHz 24-Core Processor ($539.99 @ Best Buy)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Frozen Notte ARGB 72.37 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($53.00 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($154.00 @ Amazon)
Memory: TEAMGROUP Elite 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL46 Memory ($73.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($65.98 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card ($799.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 205 Mesh C ATX Mid Tower Case ($105.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE Gold 850 - V2 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ B&H)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home OEM - DVD 64-bit ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1982.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-05 19:19 EDT-0400
But, that's not taking into consideration better choices. The 13900KF is an amazingly bad value at $540 when you can pick up a 7800x3D for $399. The 4070ti isn't a terrible value, but unless they will be gaming in such a way that RT and DLSS is a true dealbreaker, a 6950xt at $630 potentially provides better value.
Genuinely not intending any of that to pick on you. I completely get that some people just don't want to build their own PC. But Covid supply line issues are basically done, so DIY is back to being a much better value outside of truly insane sales.
Posted on 9/5/23 at 6:45 pm to Joshjrn
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Genuinely not intending any of that to pick on you.
Nah its ok, besides Covid being a thing at the time im just at the point in my life where id rather cough up a hundred extra dollars and be done with it.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 9/6/23 at 4:58 pm to Joshjrn
You just said AM5 was the way to go, but then went with an i9? Why, was it just for an apples to apples comparison? Intel's socket switching has sworn me off of them for the foreseeable future.
But, RAM is cheap, and everyone loves browser tabs. Outlook is currently taking up almost 2GB, Edge 2GB, and Brave almost 5GB. With 64GB, I don't have to close any of that to game
OP, the other thing I would advise is to make sure your NVME drives have heatsinks on them. SSDs are different, of course, but this chart showing some models can be *twice* as hot without a heatsink was concerning as hell. Heat bad.
Also, in this calculation, take into account where your NVME mount is on the motherboard in relation to how your case is oriented.
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Memory: TEAMGROUP Elite 32 GB (2 x 16 GB)
But, RAM is cheap, and everyone loves browser tabs. Outlook is currently taking up almost 2GB, Edge 2GB, and Brave almost 5GB. With 64GB, I don't have to close any of that to game
OP, the other thing I would advise is to make sure your NVME drives have heatsinks on them. SSDs are different, of course, but this chart showing some models can be *twice* as hot without a heatsink was concerning as hell. Heat bad.
Also, in this calculation, take into account where your NVME mount is on the motherboard in relation to how your case is oriented.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 7:21 pm to LemmyLives
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You just said AM5 was the way to go, but then went with an i9? Why, was it just for an apples to apples comparison? Intel's socket switching has sworn me off of them for the foreseeable future.
The PCPP list was purely to match/compare with Barry’s prebuilt, not a suggested build.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:19 pm to Joshjrn
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Joshjrn
I appreciate the help man. Only change I'd be interested in is splurging for a 4090. I want to future-proof my PC as best as I can and would prefer a 4090 if I can. I did say my build budget would be $2-4k, so maybe it's possible?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:44 pm to Tom288
Again, please don’t go build what’s in that PCPP list. It was for illustrative purposes only
I know I said it before, but I’ll genuinely try to do a parts list tomorrow
I know I said it before, but I’ll genuinely try to do a parts list tomorrow
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:03 pm to Joshjrn
Posted on 9/7/23 at 7:44 am to Tom288
Very, very rough draft because I don't have much time this morning, but didn't want to forget again. I particularly want to revisit the motherboard and PSU, the latter of which I don't even think is ATX 3.0 compliant. But, wanted to give you an idea on what price would look like for a "practical" high end build. Price starts going up quickly if aesthetics start coming more into play:
PCPartPicker Part List: LINK
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($395.15 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($118.27 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($96.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SK Hynix Platinum P41 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: SK Hynix Platinum P41 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card ($1699.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $3115.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-07 08:42 EDT-0400
PCPartPicker Part List: LINK
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($395.15 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($118.27 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($96.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: SK Hynix Platinum P41 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: SK Hynix Platinum P41 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($154.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card ($1699.99 @ Best Buy)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $3115.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-07 08:42 EDT-0400
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:38 am to Tom288
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:34 am to Joshjrn
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Joshjrn
What do you think about the Hyte Y60?
Hyte Y60
I'm interested in aesthetics (Would like everything to be RGB and get some wiring redone, not sure about the color yet), but those can come down the line. Definitely not a priority right now.
ETA: On the Corsair case you recommended, I see it only supports a 280mm AIO at the top of the case, but a 360mm at the front. Can a CPU AIO cooler be mounted on the front, and would that not block airflow to the other components?
I really appreciate your time and help with this.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 10:43 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:23 am to Tom288
The y60 is pretty cool, but I’m just kind of skeptical on how good it is for keeping your system cool. And the fact you’re limited in AIO size is a downside. I’m partial to the Phanteks Nv7
Very big and fits up to 12 fans. The “forehead” above the motherboard mount is controversial though.
Very big and fits up to 12 fans. The “forehead” above the motherboard mount is controversial though.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:53 am to Tom288
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What do you think about the Hyte Y60?
I like it fine, but it struggles with thermals. I would probably want to do something a bit more exotic like a hybrid GPU.
As an alternative, I would suggest the O11 Dynamic Evo.
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ETA: On the Corsair case you recommended, I see it only supports a 280mm AIO at the top of the case, but a 360mm at the front. Can a CPU AIO cooler be mounted on the front, and would that not block airflow to the other components?
Wouldn't be an issue, but not something we need to spend any time on considering the types of cases you're looking at. We can discuss those specifics once you've decided on one.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:29 pm to Joshjrn
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As an alternative, I would suggest the O11 Dynamic Evo.
I actually love that case, think I'm going to go with that. So far the parts list only has the AIO for cooling, would I not need any extra fans for the side/bottom/rear?
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