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Cashed out ibonds today.

Posted on 8/1/23 at 11:53 am
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 8/1/23 at 11:53 am
Had bought at the end of may last year.

Apparently it doesn't matter what time of the month you buy, you still get that full month of interest whether you bought on the 1st or at the end. So didn't really have to wait 3 full months after the last change to cash out. Just two months and a few day to get all that good earned interest.

Going to max IRAs for this year and buy some t-bills soon I suppose.

The majority of it is to help my daughter with a down payment on a house in a few years, so don't want to lock it up long term
This post was edited on 8/1/23 at 12:02 pm
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42036 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 12:19 pm to
Treasuries short term juicy 5.5% ytm on Schwab this am
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 12:24 pm to
Thanks, but it's gonna pend for a few days before it's in my account I think. Will snag something soon after its in there.
This post was edited on 8/1/23 at 12:25 pm
Posted by slinger1317
Northshore
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 6:02 am to
I redeemed my I bonds yesterday as well. I got in back in December 2021 with $10,000. Made a cool 11% and now I’m out.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 8/2/23 at 7:33 am to
Nice! I was late to the party, made a little over 8%

Cashed out 40k. Made 820 on each 10k. Have another 15k coming out in January.
Posted by prestigeworldwide
Member since May 2018
401 posts
Posted on 8/2/23 at 12:17 pm to
Cashing 20k out tomorrow. Putting them in t-bills but not sure which duration. Since we don't need access to the money immediately, would it be better to pick 4 weeks and keep reinvesting every 4 weeks or go for 17/26 weeks?
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11767 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 4:07 pm to
They had a 5/1 or 11/1 purchase date, correct?
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 4:19 pm to
Yes, technically. I purchased at the end of may, but purcahse day said May 1st.

I checked with a ibond calculator to see how much that should have been worth before switching to the lower percentage (how much they earned in one year) and that's what treasury.gov indicated they were going to be worth if I cashed them.

10,000 earned 9.6 for six months, then 6.8 for six months.

So (9.6+6.8)/2 =8.2

.082×10,000 = 820. I cashed them for 10,820. So it was right.
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 4:20 pm
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

Cashing 20k out tomorrow. Putting them in t-bills but not sure which duration. Since we don't need access to the money immediately, would it be better to pick 4 weeks and keep reinvesting every 4 weeks or go for 17/26 weeks?


I'm going to do short ones. Maybe 8 weeks for a while as long as they keep rising. If the rise stops or drops I'll lock into something longer.
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 4:22 pm
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

Since we don't need access to the money immediately, would it be better to pick 4 weeks and keep reinvesting every 4 weeks or go for 17/26 weeks?


It would depend largely on when you need access to the money. Rates will fluctuate on all of the durations, but of course, more so on the 4 week bills as they reset up or down.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

Cashing 20k out tomorrow.


Let your bank know, mine froze my account when they were deposited.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11767 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 4:46 pm to
Thank you
Posted by Redstickbaw
Member since Jul 2023
155 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 6:29 pm to
Why did you cash out your ibonds? Based on when you bought you were still earning 6.5%. I’ll be waiting until the rate is below the 4% my savings account currently has.
This post was edited on 8/3/23 at 6:30 pm
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 8/3/23 at 10:05 pm to
quote:

Why did you cash out your ibonds? Based on when you bought you were still earning 6.5%. I’ll be waiting until the rate is below the 4% my savings account currently has.


I was earning 3.38% currently. There was no fixed rate when I purchased like there is if you buy now.

So if you mean (9.6+6.8+3.4)/3 = 6.6%, then yes it was basically like I was currently earning 6.6% over the whole period I have had them if I kept them til the next drop.

But, lets say I left the 40k in there til the next rate drop+3months for what I would lose cashing out. I would have had 40k at 6.6 invested for a year and 9 months. But I would lose the last 3 months, so I would only get what I would have earned in 1.5 years. 3960 dollars earned in 21 months.

But since I cashed them out when I did I earned 3280 in a year and 3 months off the ibonds. And if I reinvest 40k in a 26 week T-Bill for 5.4% I will earn 1080 off t-bills in the next six months.

So I'll earn 4360 in the same 21 months vs if I left them in and earned 3960. And that's not counting the 3280 I earned being reinvested in T-bills.

Plus I'm maxing IRA with it and some other stuff.




This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 4:39 pm
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:57 am to
Good stuff!
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 4:47 pm to
Thanks, not sure why the downvotes. Nothing I said in here is wrong or untrue.

I probably could have invested in some stocks short term and done better, but I don't know enough about that yet.

Got my order in for 26 week Tbills through Fidelity for 5.44% Auction on Monday.

This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 4:54 pm
Posted by Redstickbaw
Member since Jul 2023
155 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 4:58 pm to
I’m not saying you’re not correct but this discussion has me slightly confused on my ibond holdings. I bought on 4-1-22 and when I log into treasury direct it is showing my current rate at 6.48%. I am wondering why yours were so much lower. Any idea? I thought that my rate won’t drop to the next adjusted rate of 3.38% until October which I will then ride out for 3 more months and cash it out so I don’t give up the 3 month interest penalties at the 6.48% rate.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 5:07 pm
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 5:10 pm to
Cause you bought in April at the rate that was going from Nov through the end of April it was like 7 something %.

The rate switched in May to 9.62 (when I bought). But you locked in that 7% for six months, then you earned 9.62 for six months. Now your earning the rate that came out last November 6.48.

So April- Sept 22 (you earned 7%ish)
October-March of 23 (you earned 9.62%)
Now April-Sept 23 (you will earn 6.48%)

Then in October you will switch to 3.38%

If I had bought a month early I would have been like you, like I said I was late to the party.


I think it's 6.84, though if I remember correctly. Not that it really matters, you get the drift.

This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 5:14 pm
Posted by Redstickbaw
Member since Jul 2023
155 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 5:12 pm to
Ok gotcha makes sense. thanks
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 5:13 pm
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 6:24 pm to
No problem, if you don't have something better to stick it then 4% savings and T-bills are still high you might want to cash out Jan 1st and do what I did.

Or let it ride another 6 months Cause you lose that last 3 months interest.

Let say you did 10k.

And it was 7.1, 9.6, and 6.8.. then 3.4

If you cash out in January you would have had it in for 1 year and 9 months. But you will lose the last three months of 3.4.

So you will basically earn (7.1+9.6+6.8)/3 = 7.8% for 1.5 years. So .078×10000 + .5*0.78*10000 = 1170 (11% like the other guy said)

Then you take that 11170 and stick it in savings for 6 months at 4% (if it stays that, could go up or down obviously). You would earn .5*.04*11170=223 dollars.

But if you left it in ibonds at 3.4 for another 6 months you will have earned (7.1+9.6+6.8+3.4)/4 = 6.72% over 2 years and 3 months (when you cash out and lose the 3 months).

So .0672x10000x2 = 1344 earned

1344 (left in for 6 more months) vs 1170+223 or 1393 (cashed and put in 4% savings for 6 months).

Pretty close. Would just depend on what your bank account is paying, if you think it would go up or down, or if you have something else better to stick it in.
This post was edited on 8/5/23 at 9:14 am
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