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Anyone been to India?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 6/13/23 at 4:55 pm
Heading to India for 3 weeks in November. Flying into Mumbai because tickets were crazy cheap ($800). Wife is going to want at least a day or 2 at the beach but Goa seems too busy/touristy/hippy for me. Plus I think we will be heading north from Mumbai and don’t want to do a ton of backtracking.
Rajasthan seems like a good area weather and logistics wise. Jaisalmer looks interesting. I think my main priorities overall would be to do a Tiger safari and see a cricket match. I have no real interest in the Taj Mahal but doubt I can get out of that.
What I’d really like to do is go up to Kashmir/Srinagar but the state department thinks that isn’t so smart. I generally don’t give a shite about things like that but I guess I get more cautious as time passes.
If anyone has any tips please let me know. Pretty overwhelming with such an huge country and I don’t want to bite off more than I can chew.
Rajasthan seems like a good area weather and logistics wise. Jaisalmer looks interesting. I think my main priorities overall would be to do a Tiger safari and see a cricket match. I have no real interest in the Taj Mahal but doubt I can get out of that.
What I’d really like to do is go up to Kashmir/Srinagar but the state department thinks that isn’t so smart. I generally don’t give a shite about things like that but I guess I get more cautious as time passes.
If anyone has any tips please let me know. Pretty overwhelming with such an huge country and I don’t want to bite off more than I can chew.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 10:28 pm to Catfishmt
Wife went for work. They had security with them 24/7. Be careful
Posted on 6/14/23 at 8:59 am to Catfishmt
My wife and I were in India 6 weeks (Nov., Dec.) in 2010. There are 3 approaches to India for westerners: 1) Everything first-class, diminishing contact with all the "bad" things that are everywhere there. 2) Immediately catch the next flight home because it's too much. 3) Realize it's a whole different reality there, a river of existence totally foreign to anything you've experienced thus far. Jump in and swim (we chose 3). It will start with the taxi from Mumbai Airport; as soon as you leave the airport you will be in another world. Traffic lights mean nothing, cows in the streets, oxcarts, the newest Mercedes, big trucks, everything. If you're serious about gaining experience there, just go with the flow - it will get you to where you want to go.
3 weeks are really too little to get a grasp on what's going on. Every moment of every day you are confronted with things you never imagined. It's important to speak with locals to get even a small glimmer of what's happening around you. They will be eager to talk to you, take advantage of that.
A good friend (from India) and his German girlfriend are hiking in Kashmir right now; it's pretty quiet right now, so no danger to tourists. That's India-light, though, the most extreme you will see will be in the northeast, south of the Himalayas.
If you want a beach but not Goa, go to Gokarn, 1 hour south of Goa. Quiet beaches with plenty (but not too many) of tourists to talk to. We went from Gokarn to Hampi - extremely beautiful and safe - for a week, then flew to Varanasi. Veranasi is not for everyone. It's the most holy city on the Ganges in which to die and be cremated. We're talking bodies being burned on open fires 24/7. It's in your face, and was the place that affected me the most. I must return to see it again. That's India: it will infuriate you, but once you return home, you can't wait to go back.
Take the train somewhere 2nd class (night trains are best), totally cheap, fantastic food, and you will meet middle-class Indians eager to talk to you. Just keep your eyes open and nothing bad will happen. They're people like us...
In short, India is unbelievable and totally worth visiting.
3 weeks are really too little to get a grasp on what's going on. Every moment of every day you are confronted with things you never imagined. It's important to speak with locals to get even a small glimmer of what's happening around you. They will be eager to talk to you, take advantage of that.
A good friend (from India) and his German girlfriend are hiking in Kashmir right now; it's pretty quiet right now, so no danger to tourists. That's India-light, though, the most extreme you will see will be in the northeast, south of the Himalayas.
If you want a beach but not Goa, go to Gokarn, 1 hour south of Goa. Quiet beaches with plenty (but not too many) of tourists to talk to. We went from Gokarn to Hampi - extremely beautiful and safe - for a week, then flew to Varanasi. Veranasi is not for everyone. It's the most holy city on the Ganges in which to die and be cremated. We're talking bodies being burned on open fires 24/7. It's in your face, and was the place that affected me the most. I must return to see it again. That's India: it will infuriate you, but once you return home, you can't wait to go back.
Take the train somewhere 2nd class (night trains are best), totally cheap, fantastic food, and you will meet middle-class Indians eager to talk to you. Just keep your eyes open and nothing bad will happen. They're people like us...
In short, India is unbelievable and totally worth visiting.
This post was edited on 6/14/23 at 11:19 am
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:27 pm to razor55red
Thanks for an awesome reply. I know 3 weeks isn’t nearly enough but that’s what it is at this point in life. I’m really excited to see if India lives up to the hype. I consider myself fairly well traveled and have backpacked through Cambodia and Myanmar but I keep hearing India is on a whole different level. Wife hasn’t travelled very much so I hope I’m not pushing the envelope too much.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:32 pm to Catfishmt
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Wife hasn’t travelled very much so I hope I’m not pushing the envelope too much
Lmao
Posted on 6/14/23 at 10:21 pm to razor55red
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hat's India-light, though, the most extreme you will see will be in the northeast, south of the Himalayas.
Can you expound more on this?
Also, what specifically do you hate and despise? What do you love? What absolutely caught you be surprise or off guard?
Posted on 6/14/23 at 11:59 pm to diat150
That made me laugh too. It may help to get higher end accomodations. It helps people who may be overwhelmed to recharge. There is definitely a lot going on all the time.
I liked India a lot because it isn't easy and I felt like Indiana Jones. We were basically celebrities there.
The queues at the Taj Mahal are separated by male/female and local/tourist and my "line" which had no foreigners in it was right next to the local male line. I high fived 5,000 Indians like I was a QB running out the tunnel.
In Jaipur, there's a movie theater called the Raj Mandir. I caught a Bollywood blockbuster called Chennai Express there. It was awesome as the theater is huuuuge. Definitely take in a movie if possible.
I had Varanasi on my itinerary but I went during monsoon. Which wasn't that bad where I was but the Ganges was flooded, so I went to Udaipur instead.
High end India hotels are Taj, Leela, Oberoi etc. I didn't have the money for those at the time but stayed at two Trident hotels which were really nice and between $120-$200 a night, something like that. They are a division of Oberoi.
Bring some Pepto bismol (pill form works) and just take that every day. Try "India hot" maybe the first day for the experience, then get "mild" after that.
Obviously, stay away from the produce/water for the most part. Though I ended up in a vegetarian village one night and they made some steaming stuffed thing that was pretty good.
I liked India a lot because it isn't easy and I felt like Indiana Jones. We were basically celebrities there.
The queues at the Taj Mahal are separated by male/female and local/tourist and my "line" which had no foreigners in it was right next to the local male line. I high fived 5,000 Indians like I was a QB running out the tunnel.
In Jaipur, there's a movie theater called the Raj Mandir. I caught a Bollywood blockbuster called Chennai Express there. It was awesome as the theater is huuuuge. Definitely take in a movie if possible.
I had Varanasi on my itinerary but I went during monsoon. Which wasn't that bad where I was but the Ganges was flooded, so I went to Udaipur instead.
High end India hotels are Taj, Leela, Oberoi etc. I didn't have the money for those at the time but stayed at two Trident hotels which were really nice and between $120-$200 a night, something like that. They are a division of Oberoi.
Bring some Pepto bismol (pill form works) and just take that every day. Try "India hot" maybe the first day for the experience, then get "mild" after that.
Obviously, stay away from the produce/water for the most part. Though I ended up in a vegetarian village one night and they made some steaming stuffed thing that was pretty good.
This post was edited on 6/15/23 at 12:11 am
Posted on 6/15/23 at 12:16 am to GentleJackJones
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What absolutely caught you be surprise or off guard?
The level of poverty is the most extreme you'll probably ever see. Rows of families sleeping under bridges, women with babies asking for money, cripples rolling around like Eddie Murphy in Trading Places, mountains of trash in spots, etc. It really is a lot. You'll also have to deal with people trying to sell you something all the time, which like an MLM scheme can start with someone trying to be nice.
A lot of the people I met were great. One night we hung out with our driver, some other drivers and a tourist (camel rides) operator. Drank whiskey cokes in the rain and shot the shite. Laughed a lot. When we'd drive down the highway people would wave at us, kids would smile etc. I have so many pictures of people just smiling for us and waving while we were in traffic. That was all memorable.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 6:16 am to Teddy Ruxpin
India is a diverse and culturally rich country with numerous fascinating destinations to explore. While I haven't personally visited India, I can certainly share information about three popular places that are often recommended by travelers:
Taj Mahal, Agra: The Taj Mahal, located in Agra, Uttar Pradesh, is one of the most iconic landmarks in the world. This magnificent marble mausoleum was built in the 17th century by Emperor Shah Jahan as a testament of love for his wife. Its exquisite architecture, intricate detailing, and picturesque gardens make it a must-visit destination.
Jaipur, Rajasthan: Known as the "Pink City," Jaipur is the capital city of Rajasthan and offers a vibrant blend of history, culture, and architecture. The city is famous for its stunning palaces, including the Hawa Mahal (Palace of Winds) and the City Palace. Visitors can also explore the Amber Fort, indulge in traditional Rajasthani cuisine, and experience the colorful bazaars.
Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh: Varanasi, situated on the banks of the sacred River Ganges, is one of the oldest continually inhabited cities in the world. It is considered a significant spiritual destination for Hindus. Visitors can witness mesmerizing Ganga Aarti ceremonies, explore narrow alleyways filled with temples, and experience the traditional rituals and customs associated with this ancient city.
These are just a few highlights among the many incredible places to visit in India. Each region offers its own unique charm, history, and attractions, making India a diverse and captivating destination to explore.
Taj Mahal, Agra: The Taj Mahal, located in Agra, Uttar Pradesh, is one of the most iconic landmarks in the world. This magnificent marble mausoleum was built in the 17th century by Emperor Shah Jahan as a testament of love for his wife. Its exquisite architecture, intricate detailing, and picturesque gardens make it a must-visit destination.
Jaipur, Rajasthan: Known as the "Pink City," Jaipur is the capital city of Rajasthan and offers a vibrant blend of history, culture, and architecture. The city is famous for its stunning palaces, including the Hawa Mahal (Palace of Winds) and the City Palace. Visitors can also explore the Amber Fort, indulge in traditional Rajasthani cuisine, and experience the colorful bazaars.
Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh: Varanasi, situated on the banks of the sacred River Ganges, is one of the oldest continually inhabited cities in the world. It is considered a significant spiritual destination for Hindus. Visitors can witness mesmerizing Ganga Aarti ceremonies, explore narrow alleyways filled with temples, and experience the traditional rituals and customs associated with this ancient city.
These are just a few highlights among the many incredible places to visit in India. Each region offers its own unique charm, history, and attractions, making India a diverse and captivating destination to explore.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 6:32 am to GentleJackJones
Basically I meant that the poverty is much greater in that area than in, say, Kerala or Tamil Nadu. Southern India has a higher literacy rate and lower unemployment. Kashmir is more sparsely populated, so the "in your face" factor is less.
As to what we hated and loved: we loved the constant new impressions assaulting your senses - the food, the smells, the colors, the sounds, talking to normal people, sitting at the chai shop on the street people watching, meeting other westerners and listening to their stories, the cows everywhere. So many things.
Hate is a strong word but I really got tired of saying no to people trying to sell me things. It was also very unpleasant when young girls carrying babies come up to you begging. They pinch the babies to make them cry and make you feel guilty. It's all organized, so try to ignore it.
I highly recommend watching some videos about scams in India. Karl Rock has a pretty good YT channel where he addresses this. He's a New Zealander married to an Indian and lives in (I think) New Dehli.
As to what we hated and loved: we loved the constant new impressions assaulting your senses - the food, the smells, the colors, the sounds, talking to normal people, sitting at the chai shop on the street people watching, meeting other westerners and listening to their stories, the cows everywhere. So many things.
Hate is a strong word but I really got tired of saying no to people trying to sell me things. It was also very unpleasant when young girls carrying babies come up to you begging. They pinch the babies to make them cry and make you feel guilty. It's all organized, so try to ignore it.
I highly recommend watching some videos about scams in India. Karl Rock has a pretty good YT channel where he addresses this. He's a New Zealander married to an Indian and lives in (I think) New Dehli.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 1:58 pm to Catfishmt
I spent a couple of weeks there a few years ago. It was a birding tour and I ended up being the only one taking part. The price went up by 50% for that reason, but was still less than half of what a typical tour with a dozen people in it would cost in the rest of the world. I had a private driver and an excellent bird guide for two weeks which was pretty awesome and weird. India is sensory overload. It started on landing in New Delhi - there were surprisingly few lights at night and that turned out to be due to amazingly bad smog. Literally the equivalent of smoking two packs of cigs per day. They get the smog every year due to a weather inversion and burning of crops, but this was bad even for India. On arrival I waited in the customs line for two hours before it moved even an inch. Apparently all the Indians got checked through first. I was so happy to have a driver, driving seems to be a game of chicken, the drivers aim right for each other, or go even left of center of the other car, only to swerve right barely in time. And traffic is really heavy almost everywhere. People are everywhere, just standing around even in remote areas. It looks like all the ruble from WWII was hauled to India and scattered randomly in front of buildings. And I won't even try to describe the smells; both good and really bad. First rule - pack toilet paper with you and carry some. After a couple of days I figured out it was better to find a spot in the woods than use the public restrooms. Indian people are really nice though. And it's one of the few truly unique places in the world. We did have success with a tiger hunt at Jim Corbett which seemed like an omen just before LSU beat Alabama in 2019. The Taj Mahal was impressive for a while but to be honest I was more impressed with Hagia Sophia which I saw a couple of weeks later and which has much more history. My favorite part was several days in the foothills of the Himalayas. Much cooler, no smog, not crowded. There were stunning views of the truly high mountains that were more than 50 miles away. The hotels were budget and really hit and miss. Some very nice ones and some dumps. The food was awesome (mild), I've eaten a lot of Indian food in the states because of that trip. There was a huge sigh of relief when the plane out got airborne and I could relax. But I really want to go back and will next year, to the northeast, but more time in Bhutan than India.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 3:42 pm to razor55red
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Hate is a strong word but I really got tired of saying no to people trying to sell me things. It was also very unpleasant when young girls carrying babies come up to you begging. They pinch the babies to make them cry and make you feel guilty. It's all organized, so try to ignore it.
Funny you listed two of the same things I did so the OP knows the information is legit.
Posted on 6/15/23 at 3:47 pm to Tigris
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And traffic is really heavy almost everywhere. People are everywhere, just standing around even in remote areas.
This post was edited on 6/15/23 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 6/15/23 at 4:29 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
It's really unbelievable. We rented a moped in Hampi and rode out to the middle of nowhere to a lake. No one in sight, as far as you can see. There were about 5 Europeans there when we arrived. So everybody's swimming in the lake. Within 10 minutes there were 20 teenage boys there to watch the Western women in their bikinis. No idea where they came from.
You will only experience privacy in India when you close the door to your domecile. Wherever you go - mostly - you are the center of attention. You will be surrounded by people just staring at you; I always wondered what they were thinking, but no way to find out. I see India as a mirror, a constant challenge to see how you react to that reality. You will be tested, but the good thing about it is that you have the chance to re-evaluate things and react in a positive way. With every discomfort is a reward (which can be infuriating :).
You will only experience privacy in India when you close the door to your domecile. Wherever you go - mostly - you are the center of attention. You will be surrounded by people just staring at you; I always wondered what they were thinking, but no way to find out. I see India as a mirror, a constant challenge to see how you react to that reality. You will be tested, but the good thing about it is that you have the chance to re-evaluate things and react in a positive way. With every discomfort is a reward (which can be infuriating :).
Posted on 6/15/23 at 5:32 pm to razor55red
We were probably the Facebook profile picture of like 50 families.
They'd get their kids in the photo too
Not that I would before, but after that I'd never ask a celebrity for a photo. It seems like a low effort thing to do, but it's a PITA doing it over and over. The celebrities that do it really are going above and beyond. It really shouldn't be treated as a baseline for them to meet.
They'd get their kids in the photo too
Not that I would before, but after that I'd never ask a celebrity for a photo. It seems like a low effort thing to do, but it's a PITA doing it over and over. The celebrities that do it really are going above and beyond. It really shouldn't be treated as a baseline for them to meet.
This post was edited on 6/15/23 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 6/15/23 at 5:46 pm to razor55red
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I always wondered what they were thinking, but no way to find out.
"I want to go to America" was probably what you'd hear from over 50%. Hell, it was 90% of what we heard in Uzbekistan with the ones that speak some English. We had more Brits than Americans in our group and I think the Brits were a bit miffed that nobody ever said "I want to go to England".
Posted on 6/15/23 at 6:53 pm to razor55red
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You will only experience privacy in India when you close the door to your domecile. Wherever you go - mostly - you are the center of attention. You will be surrounded by people just staring at you; I always wondered what they were thinking, but no way to find out. I see India as a mirror, a constant challenge to see how you react to that reality. You will be tested, but the good thing about it is that you have the chance to re-evaluate things and react in a positive way. With every discomfort is a reward (which can be infuriating :).
This 1000%. Spent 2 weeks there for a wedding and travel and it's strange having tons of eyes on you at all times. The pictures part can get overwhelming too. Overall would do it all again because the culture shock and the experience is unlike anything/anywhere I've ever been.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:19 am to Catfishmt
I went solo in May 2018, and it was hot as frick. I’m talking 110-115 at times.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 12:49 pm to Globetrotter747
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I went solo in May 2018, and it was hot as frick. I’m talking 110-115 at times
You didn't Google how hot it is before monsoon starts? Ouch
This post was edited on 6/16/23 at 12:50 pm
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