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The Clean Energy Boom Has A Major Waste Problem

Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:02 pm
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27581 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:02 pm
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Renewable energy is on a massive growth trend. Solar and wind installation rates are soaring and EV sales continue to balloon as technology advances, prices become more competitive, governments get serious about supporting the clean energy transition, and all kinds of geopolitical stars have aligned. While more renewable energy is a net positive for the planet, there are some significant ecological trade-offs associated with the fast-growing industry. Perhaps the greatest of these is the significant amount of waste it generates as components like lithium-ion batteries, solar panels, and wind turbines end their life cycles.

These products contain lots of materials that pose significant hazards to the environment, including toxic metals, oil, and fiberglass, among others.
In the words of Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Andrew Wheeler, “without a strategy for their end-of-life management, so-called green technologies like solar panels, electric vehicle batteries, and windmills will ultimately place the same unintended burdens on our planet and economy as traditional commodities.”

A narrow focus on rapid growth has obscured the need to adequately plan for these downstream waste production issues. While some critics and environmentalists have been trying to call attention to this issue for years now, actual interest has waxed and waned without gaining a major foothold. Back in 2021, the question of what we were going to do with all that waste garnered a whole lot of headlines. But now, in 2023, the topic has all but disappeared from the clean energy discourse. Is that because it’s less of an issue now than it was just a few years ago? Decidedly not.

In fact, the issue is only growing along with the renewables industry. While there is also a growing acknowledgment that robust recycling and waste management programs will be a necessary part of a safe, effective, and environmentally friendly renewable energy industry, not enough investment and attention has been directed to actually solving the problem. At present, nearly 100% of solar panels end up in landfills. By just 2030, the number of discarded solar panels will already have amounted to cover an area “equivalent to about 3,000 football fields,” CBS News recently reported. Meanwhile, waste from wind turbines is expected to amount to 47 million tons of blade waste each year by 2050.

This doesn’t just represent an environmental loss; it’s also a missed economic opportunity. Discarded renewable energy components like solar panels include valuable and finite materials which can be recycled and reused. With all the angst about sufficient lithium, cobalt, and other rare earth minerals to supply the renewable energy revolution, recycling seems like it should be an absolute no-brainer. It’s a rare economic and environmental win-win. So what’s the hold-up?

Put simply, the recycling industry is still extremely small, and lacks the economies of scale to become cost-competitive with the alternative of simply chucking used renewable materials into the landfill. Investment in research and development to continue improving recycling technologies, as well as financial and policy support for scaling, will be essential. Plus, even if throwing these parts away remains the cheaper option up front, when environmental externalities are included in the equation the economics clearly favor a long-term recycling solution.


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Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:03 pm to
Shocked all the idiots rushing to push these things didn't think of the consequences of their actions.
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:04 pm to
Shop it to India. Have you seen videos where they hold a battery with their bare feet, slice the top off, pour out the acid, remove the plates inside and rebuild it into a shittier battery to sell in the market next to rotting meat?

Surely they can also recycle that other stuff too?
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
40429 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:07 pm to
Just throw it in the burn pit out back like my grandfather did.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16714 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:08 pm to
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the recycling industry is still extremely small

For solar and batteries it’s because there’s no volume to recycle. The assets last a pretty long time and it’s better to just let it ride out it’s degradation and keep paying you.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
40682 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:08 pm to
The green movement produces more pollution than the oil and gas industry
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27581 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:11 pm to
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The green movement produces more pollution than the oil and gas industry


Those solar farms are going to be huge contaminated wastelands in the future.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
77168 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:11 pm to
The whole green energy movement is a scam. 99% of everything you were taught growing up was BS.
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
10889 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:12 pm to
What about the waste that it doesn’t put in the air
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16714 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:14 pm to
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Those solar farms are going to be huge contaminated wastelands in the future.

No they aren’t quit being a dramatic bitch.
Posted by rhar61
Member since Nov 2022
5109 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:16 pm to
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For solar and batteries it’s because there’s no volume to recycle. The assets last a pretty long time and it’s better to just let it ride out it’s degradation and keep paying you.


sure
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27581 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:17 pm to
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No they aren’t quit being a dramatic bitch.


Sorry. I'll ignore environmental professionals then.

Carry on. Keep plopping those things up everywhere. Especially on perfectly good crop farming land.
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 9:19 pm
Posted by Cycledude
Member since Jul 2018
2129 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:21 pm to
The rush is to reduce the amount of burning of fossil fuels. All other environmental concerns are secondary to that. However, recycling is rarely cost efficient. It won’t happen unless people demand it.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16714 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:21 pm to
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sure

Explain it then. What’s the failure rate? Useful life? Etc.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16714 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:22 pm to
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Sorry. I'll ignore environmental professionals then.

Believe whatever you want but the PFAS shite and just about everything else is a myth or assumes the modules are breached. There are no issues with modern tier 1 modules.
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 9:27 pm
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
27581 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:24 pm to
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quote:
For solar and batteries it’s because there’s no volume to recycle. The assets last a pretty long time and it’s better to just let it ride out it’s degradation and keep paying you.


sure


He actually does have a valid point.

To be honest, I'm much more concerned about the subsurface effects potentially caused by solar farms over the next 10 years than I am about where to scrap all the shite in 80 years from now.

Though I acknowledge that as very selfish of me and not looking out for my potential grandchildren.

We can sink old rigs and stuff into the Gulf to create reefs, maybe the same with solar panels and wind turbines?
This post was edited on 5/9/23 at 9:28 pm
Posted by sashabaroncohen
Member since May 2023
19 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:26 pm to
Posted by LootieandtheBlowfish
Member since Aug 2021
800 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:28 pm to
There’s stupid and then there’s comments like this lol.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
70702 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:37 pm to
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Shocked all the idiots rushing to push these things didn't think of the consequences of their actions.


Clean air >>>> Clean ground
Posted by beaverfever
Arkansas
Member since Jan 2008
35460 posts
Posted on 5/9/23 at 9:38 pm to
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The whole green energy movement is a scam. 99% of everything you were taught growing up was BS.
I assume anything to do with green energy and climate change is disinformation. Even on the leftist propaganda scale it clearly reeks of bullshite.
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