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Watch the ump on the play at home
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:02 am
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:02 am
He didn't call SAFE or OUT. Immediately we should have went and tagged him.
The runner slow walked it to the dugout hoping the runner on third was watching the play or his 3rd base coach. Once we ran at him for the tag, the runner on 3rd ran home and scored, called SAFE by blue.
Yes, he could have called him out somewhere during the walk to the dugout but it's a fun play to see if he circles around and attempts to go back to the plate to touch it or the other runners try to advance.
The runner slow walked it to the dugout hoping the runner on third was watching the play or his 3rd base coach. Once we ran at him for the tag, the runner on 3rd ran home and scored, called SAFE by blue.
Yes, he could have called him out somewhere during the walk to the dugout but it's a fun play to see if he circles around and attempts to go back to the plate to touch it or the other runners try to advance.
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Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:03 am to StickD
I’m surprised nothing was said to Jay about running out like he did
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:04 am to StickD
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The runner slow walked it to the dugout hoping the runner on third was watching the play or his 3rd base coach. Once we ran at him for the tag, the runner on 3rd ran home and scored, called SAFE by blue.
So if your LSU you do nothing. He will eventually be called out. That play was 100 percent on Jay for yelling at the pitcher to run to the other team’s dugout
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 8:05 am
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:08 am to geauxtigers33
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So if your LSU you do nothing. He will eventually be called out. That play was 100 percent on Jay for yelling at the pitcher to run to the other team’s dugout
Correct
Once you give yourself up (ie walk back to dugout) you are out.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:11 am to geauxtigers33
Jay Johnson panicked and caused an unnecessary run to score. All you have to do is appeal and step on the plate. You can do that live or in a time out. As long as it's before the next pitch. Can't believe the announcers didn't even pick that up.
He was not out for walking to the dugout, if LSU don't appeal he is "safe" after the next pitch. But the appeal was super easy and Jay blew it.
He was not out for walking to the dugout, if LSU don't appeal he is "safe" after the next pitch. But the appeal was super easy and Jay blew it.
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 8:14 am
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:12 am to LigerFan
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I’m surprised nothing was said to Jay about running out like he did
Hell, the umpire should have called time and the guy out when Jay ran out there. That was a fricked up play.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:17 am to SoWhat
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He was not out for walking to the dugout
I started a thread at the same time as this one, but by rule, he should have been called out.
Rule 5.09(b) (1) and (2): Any runner after reaching first base who leaves the base path heading for his dugout or his position believing that there is no further play, may be declared out if the umpire judges the act of the runner to be considered abandoning his efforts to run the bases. Even though an out is called, the ball remains in play in regard to any other runner.
Lead runner should have been ruled out by the umpire.
An even quirkier outcome could have evolved though.
Rule 7.08(h): Any runner is out if he passes a preceding runner before that runner is out. This is not an appeal play but is called immediately by the umpire.
Had Collins faked a tag and allowed the runner to touch home, by rule, both runners would have been called out.
Obviously not something you practice at home with the runner not ever making another attempt to touch the plate. But definitely a teaching moment for the boys.
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 8:18 am
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:21 am to 3rdPart Tiger
Only LSU and saints games does bizarre stuff like this happen, and the rule book needs to be brought out.
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 8:21 am
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:22 am to geauxtigers33
Pitchers have worked “1st and 3rd defense” 1000 times in their lives. Perhaps the number 1 rule of a first and third defense for a pitcher is never run/walk at the runner between first and second with your back to the runner at third base.
I know this wasn’t a first and third play, but I can’t fathom how Collins thought he was fine to just walk and tag the runner by the dugout while not paying attention to the guy at third base. He actually checked the guy at third before he turned and WALKED to tag the runner.
Then he followed it up by not backing up home on a base hit to the outfield with a runner on 2B. These modern pitchers are all lab rats who are built by pitching lessons thrown in a pitching facility with all these gadgets and monitors. “Oooh, look at that spin rate. Ooooh, how hard can you throw?” But these guys have no feel for the game. They don’t do what it takes to win. Skip Bertman use to call if “HWA”, how to win awareness. Many of the pitchers today don’t grow up learning the game, they grow up chasing numbers on a monitor.
I know this wasn’t a first and third play, but I can’t fathom how Collins thought he was fine to just walk and tag the runner by the dugout while not paying attention to the guy at third base. He actually checked the guy at third before he turned and WALKED to tag the runner.
Then he followed it up by not backing up home on a base hit to the outfield with a runner on 2B. These modern pitchers are all lab rats who are built by pitching lessons thrown in a pitching facility with all these gadgets and monitors. “Oooh, look at that spin rate. Ooooh, how hard can you throw?” But these guys have no feel for the game. They don’t do what it takes to win. Skip Bertman use to call if “HWA”, how to win awareness. Many of the pitchers today don’t grow up learning the game, they grow up chasing numbers on a monitor.
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 8:43 am
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:24 am to 3rdPart Tiger
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Had Collins faked a tag and allowed the runner to touch home, by rule, both runners would have been called out. Obviously not something you practice at home with the runner not ever making another attempt to touch the plate. But definitely a teaching moment for the boys.
I guarantee the umps would have fricked up this call and then fricked it harder on review.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:32 am to 3rdPart Tiger
Keep going on the rule as home plate is addressed further down.
Rules 5.09(b)(5), 5.09(b)(12), 5.09(c)(2):
Official Baseball Rule 5.09(b)(12) states that should a runner, in scoring, fail to touch home plate and continue on the way to the bench (making no effort to return), the runner may be put out by the fielder touching home plate and appealing to the umpire for a decision. However, this rule applies only where a runner is on the way to the bench and the catcher would be required to chase the runner. It does not apply to the ordinary play where the runner misses the plate and then immediately makes an effort to touch the plate before being tagged. In that case, the runner must be tagged. In such cases, base path rules still apply to the runner (i.e., he may not run more than three feet from the “base path” between him and home plate).
On a play at the plate, should the runner miss home plate and the fielder miss the tag on the runner, it is preferable that the umpire make no signal on the play. As outlined in the previous paragraph, the runner must then be tagged if the runner attempts to return to the plate; if the runner continues on the way to the bench, the defense may make an appeal.
A runner may no longer return to touch a missed base—home plate or otherwise—after having entered the dugout. On a “No Touch/No Tag” play, the runner is permitted to return to touch home plate when the ball is dead as long as there are less than three outs and/or a following runner has not scored.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:36 am to SoWhat
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He was not out for walking to the dugout, if LSU don't appeal he is "safe" after the next pitch. But the appeal was super easy and Jay blew it.
That’s not the case. He would not have been safe and LSU does not have to appeal. By rule, a runner that misses home plate is out once he has given himself up, traditionally, this call has not been made until the runner has entered the dugout, but it’s discretionary.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:36 am to StickD
The #1 team in the country shouldn’t have been in this position Vs Nicholls St in the first place.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:41 am to SoWhat
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SoWhat
I didn’t read that far down, thanks for that.
Interesting nonetheless and probably something not practiced often because you don’t expect the runner to not make another attempt at touching home. Wild.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:47 am to StickD
quote:Damn. You make me feel better about my constant shitty takes. And for that, I salute you.
The runner slow walked it to the dugout hoping the runner on third was watching the play or his 3rd base coach.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 8:47 am to lowhound
quote:I dont think calling time when coach sprints out of the dugout during a live play is a good idea.
the umpire should have called time and the guy out when Jay ran out there.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 9:06 am to Choupique19
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but I can’t fathom how Collins thought he was fine to just walk and tag the runner by the dugout while not paying attention to the guy at third base. He actually checked the guy at third before he turned and WALKED to tag the runner.
I like Jay Johnson but this was a mistake on his part. I don’t blame Collins at all when your head coach is yelling at you running on the field to go tag the runner.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 9:13 am to StickD
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He didn't call SAFE or OUT. Immediately we should have went and tagged him.
because, at the time, he was neither safe or out... he was still just a base runner.
Posted on 4/26/23 at 9:16 am to StickD
Did we tag the guy before the run scored?
Posted on 4/26/23 at 9:25 am to Choupique19
agreed
Just like young golfers are only fixed on TrackMan numbers, and really don't know how to play championship level golf.
Just like young golfers are only fixed on TrackMan numbers, and really don't know how to play championship level golf.
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