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Flying into LAX from Asia - help me survive the jetlag
Posted on 4/15/23 at 4:42 am
Posted on 4/15/23 at 4:42 am
I can't beat it, I've accepted that.
I've tried my best but I succumb to lounge beers and cocktails during extensive layovers and never successfully adjusting my sleep schedule in the last few days of vacation.
It's a mind-frick so I am looking for feedback.
Our first flight leaves the Philippines at 12:15 pm (local time) on May 25. The first leg is a 3 hour flight to Taipei then an EIGHT HOUR layover in Taipei then a 12 hour flight into LAX leaving at 11:55pm Taipei time and landing at 8:55pm local LAX time so I ma trying to come up withe the best travel day(s) sleep scenario.
Obviously the 8 hour layover in Taipei sucks BUT we are flying Royal Laurel class (EVA Air) so will have lounge access during that layover and will have pretty good sleeping conditions on the flight into Los Angeles.
The day after we land into LA we don't have anything planned and are basically figuring it will be a total wash but if we feel up to it may catch an Angels game before spending a couple days at Disneyland before flying back to Louisiana so being in as decent shape as possible for Disneyland is kind of the goal here.
Since our first flight into Taipei leaves at noon my plan was just to just ride that out as normal and then ride out the 8 hour layover as normal. If we have to catch a nap in the airport lounge for some reason so be it but I just don't see me being able to plan any sleep schedule.
Then, our second flight (12 hours in duration) leaves Taipei at 11:55 pm and since they will feed us after we board and then kill the lights I was thinking get as much sleep early on as possible since our circadian rhythm will still be in sync. Our watches will be synced with Los Angelas time so I am trying to figure out how much sleep should we target on that 12 hour flight from Taipei to LA that since we land at 9pm we can try to get some sleep again around 2-3am local time in hopes of trying to swing that internal clock back.
Would 5 hours or so be a good target and then no matter what, force ourselves to stay awake the last 7 hours of the flight so we can hopefully land with some sort of inclination of wanting to get some more sleep within 5-8 hours of arrival back into the US?
I've tried my best but I succumb to lounge beers and cocktails during extensive layovers and never successfully adjusting my sleep schedule in the last few days of vacation.
It's a mind-frick so I am looking for feedback.
Our first flight leaves the Philippines at 12:15 pm (local time) on May 25. The first leg is a 3 hour flight to Taipei then an EIGHT HOUR layover in Taipei then a 12 hour flight into LAX leaving at 11:55pm Taipei time and landing at 8:55pm local LAX time so I ma trying to come up withe the best travel day(s) sleep scenario.
Obviously the 8 hour layover in Taipei sucks BUT we are flying Royal Laurel class (EVA Air) so will have lounge access during that layover and will have pretty good sleeping conditions on the flight into Los Angeles.
The day after we land into LA we don't have anything planned and are basically figuring it will be a total wash but if we feel up to it may catch an Angels game before spending a couple days at Disneyland before flying back to Louisiana so being in as decent shape as possible for Disneyland is kind of the goal here.
Since our first flight into Taipei leaves at noon my plan was just to just ride that out as normal and then ride out the 8 hour layover as normal. If we have to catch a nap in the airport lounge for some reason so be it but I just don't see me being able to plan any sleep schedule.
Then, our second flight (12 hours in duration) leaves Taipei at 11:55 pm and since they will feed us after we board and then kill the lights I was thinking get as much sleep early on as possible since our circadian rhythm will still be in sync. Our watches will be synced with Los Angelas time so I am trying to figure out how much sleep should we target on that 12 hour flight from Taipei to LA that since we land at 9pm we can try to get some sleep again around 2-3am local time in hopes of trying to swing that internal clock back.
Would 5 hours or so be a good target and then no matter what, force ourselves to stay awake the last 7 hours of the flight so we can hopefully land with some sort of inclination of wanting to get some more sleep within 5-8 hours of arrival back into the US?
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 7:36 am to LSUfan4444
All that text to ask about jet lag? What could go Wong?
Posted on 4/15/23 at 8:52 pm to LSUfan4444
Good luck. I got a headache just trying to read through all that
Posted on 4/17/23 at 2:43 pm to LSUfan4444
Ask Korkstand he's pretty good at math problems
Posted on 4/17/23 at 7:08 pm to OldHickory
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All that text to ask about jet lag?
I can paraphrase but thought context would help provide a helpful answer.
How do you approach a sleep schedule over a 12 hour flight that lands at 9 pm, three hours earlier than when it took off.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 8:47 pm to LSUfan4444
You are completely insane if you think you're "spending a couple of days at Disneyland" and watching a baseball game after landing at 9PM at LAX after that schedule. You say "we" and "Disneyland," but it's not clear if this involves kids or teens. If so, you're proper f$cked.
You actually need to stay awake the entire flight from TPE. By the time you take off, it will be approx 9AM at LAX. If you sleep for six hours on the flight from TPE to LAX, you're sleeping from approximately 10AM (allowing for food service) to 4PM LAX time. You *won't be able to sleep* unless you get blackout drunk once you hit LAX.
Do you believe this is a successful strategy for going to bed in LAX after you land around 2AM and waking up before 10-11AM?
If you're going to try your strategy, which is the opposite of how I operate, you need to create financial incentives for you to attempt to wake up for your phone alarms. Pay for tickets and passes now, and that might burn through the "ten more minutes" which turns into five more hours of sleep after you land in LAX.
You actually need to stay awake the entire flight from TPE. By the time you take off, it will be approx 9AM at LAX. If you sleep for six hours on the flight from TPE to LAX, you're sleeping from approximately 10AM (allowing for food service) to 4PM LAX time. You *won't be able to sleep* unless you get blackout drunk once you hit LAX.
Do you believe this is a successful strategy for going to bed in LAX after you land around 2AM and waking up before 10-11AM?
If you're going to try your strategy, which is the opposite of how I operate, you need to create financial incentives for you to attempt to wake up for your phone alarms. Pay for tickets and passes now, and that might burn through the "ten more minutes" which turns into five more hours of sleep after you land in LAX.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 10:30 pm to LemmyLives
Meh, I say sleep as much as you can on the plane bc what ever sleep you get, it won’t be well rested sleep anyways. I fly F/J lay flats all the time and still can crash when getting back to the US. So In this scenario, coming back at night is the best outcome bc you can further sleep more restfully and be okay for the next morning/ new day.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 5:54 am to LemmyLives
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You actually need to stay awake the entire flight from TPE
That's just not possible. As much as I would like that to happen it's not realistic.
Disneyland is happening but not until two days after we land, the Angels game wouldn't be planned in advance only an option if we feel up for it.
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If you sleep for six hours on the flight from TPE to LAX, you're sleeping from approximately 10AM (allowing for food service) to 4PM LAX time. You *won't be able to sleep* unless you get blackout drunk once you hit LAX.
I don't think we will get 6 hours even if we tried but my goal would be get whatever sleep we could within the first 6 hours. Our bodies won't be acclimated to Pacific yet so it will still "feel like" 2 or 3 am.
It would be ideal to land at LAX at 9pm and be close to go to sleep but I know without investing the time during our vacation to shift our sleep schedules it's not going to happen.
At some point we're going to need to sleep during the travel, the question is when and for how long?
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If you're going to try your strategy, which is the opposite of how I operate, you need to create financial incentives for you to attempt to wake up for your phone alarms. Pay for tickets and passes now, and that might burn through the "ten more minutes" which turns into five more hours of sleep after you land in LAX.
I have no clue what this means.
Posted on 4/18/23 at 5:56 am to Odinson
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I say sleep as much as you can on the plane bc what ever sleep you get, it won’t be well rested sleep anyways. I fly F/J lay flats all the time and still can crash when getting back to the US. So In this scenario, coming back at night is the best outcome bc you can further sleep more restfully and be okay for the next morning/ new day.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 3:13 pm to LSUfan4444
I've made over 20 round-trips to TPE (all in business class, usually Delta, when they still flew into TPE). Coming home is always the most difficult.
I've found I can do a few things that absolutely help me reduce my "I'm totally worthless" time once I return stateside:
1. I exhaust myself completely before I get on the flight -- I mean it, no sleep at all the night before I leave. I sleep no more than a few hours two nights prior. Basically, I know that I am going to sleep on that long flight, so I do my best to scramble my sleep pattern before I even leave TPE.
2. At the airport, I load up on at least one bowl of beef noodle soup from the lounge. (Both EVA lounge and the China Airlines lounges have wonderful beef noodle soup). Now, this won't exactly help with your jetlag, but it will put you in a happy mood after taking necessary actions in step 1.
3. Once you get to LAX, don't sleep until 10PM. And right before you go to sleep, make sure to take ZQuil Pure Zzzzs right before bed time. And make sure to take it every night for the next 3 nights, whether you think you need it or not. That will help reduce those 3AM wide awake frustrations.
Now, since you have an 8 hour layover into TPE, you should have enough time to go eat a good meal in Taipei if you want. Take an uber to Din Tai Fung (there are a number of locations in Taipei). It'll be about a 45 min drive there and back. Depending on time of day, you may have to wait 30 minutes for a table. But the 1.5 hour round trip and the wait, gives you enough view of the city to really enjoy the experience. And the food is incredible. xiaolongbao, stir fried Taiwanese lettuce, spicy shrimp and pork wontons, pork and shrimp shao mai, sticky rice with pork -- load up on it all. Too bad you won't be there in the later evening so you could hit up a night market for an hour or two.
I've found I can do a few things that absolutely help me reduce my "I'm totally worthless" time once I return stateside:
1. I exhaust myself completely before I get on the flight -- I mean it, no sleep at all the night before I leave. I sleep no more than a few hours two nights prior. Basically, I know that I am going to sleep on that long flight, so I do my best to scramble my sleep pattern before I even leave TPE.
2. At the airport, I load up on at least one bowl of beef noodle soup from the lounge. (Both EVA lounge and the China Airlines lounges have wonderful beef noodle soup). Now, this won't exactly help with your jetlag, but it will put you in a happy mood after taking necessary actions in step 1.
3. Once you get to LAX, don't sleep until 10PM. And right before you go to sleep, make sure to take ZQuil Pure Zzzzs right before bed time. And make sure to take it every night for the next 3 nights, whether you think you need it or not. That will help reduce those 3AM wide awake frustrations.
Now, since you have an 8 hour layover into TPE, you should have enough time to go eat a good meal in Taipei if you want. Take an uber to Din Tai Fung (there are a number of locations in Taipei). It'll be about a 45 min drive there and back. Depending on time of day, you may have to wait 30 minutes for a table. But the 1.5 hour round trip and the wait, gives you enough view of the city to really enjoy the experience. And the food is incredible. xiaolongbao, stir fried Taiwanese lettuce, spicy shrimp and pork wontons, pork and shrimp shao mai, sticky rice with pork -- load up on it all. Too bad you won't be there in the later evening so you could hit up a night market for an hour or two.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 3:16 pm to LSUfan4444
Copious amounts of vodka.
Posted on 4/19/23 at 10:54 pm to LSUfan4444
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That's just not possible.
Done it repeatedly in both directions. However, you shall do what you think is good for you. That's your choice.
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I have no clue what this means.
It's simply a penalty for not waking up. "I bought $300 worth of Disney tickets and we're going to lose the money if I hit snooze again." Maybe it'll motivate you, maybe it won't. But if you're just "we're going to Disney tomorrow," not a great likelihood you're making breakfast after a trip like that.
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need to sleep during the trave
My main point is that everyone needs to pass the hell out as soon as you hit the hotel in LA, and wake up before 9-10AM for the lag not to ruin the next four days of y'alls lives.
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