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re: Roman's 1:18-32 spitting some fire
Posted on 3/31/23 at 12:51 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 3/31/23 at 12:51 pm to FooManChoo
Everybody sins but God is good. He forgives. I hope everyone on this board has asked for his forgiveness.
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Posted on 3/31/23 at 12:53 pm to Sailin Tiger
A lot of these people here are fundamentalists. Doubt it's going to be productive engaging in debate.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 12:54 pm to Shamoan
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If this doesn't describe our society today, I don't know what does.
Even those in the church.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 12:57 pm to Tyger32
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What is happening to Trump is awful, but God is punishing us for our apathy, our suppression of His truth, our accepting and glorifying sexual deviance, and our spending the last 50 years “legally” murdering babies.
How is God punishing us? We are the most prosperous country on the planet. And why would God single us out? Why not China or some truly evil place like N Korea.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 1:09 pm to FooManChoo
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I was, and I'm still Reformed (by the grace of God)
you believe in sola scriptura and sola fide both patently false as we have proven in past debates with you. LINK
Posted on 3/31/23 at 1:17 pm to bengalfan50
I would ask everyone what have they done to stop abortion? Sadly, most -- even people who profess to be believers -- have done nothing. They will pay.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 1:36 pm to burger bearcat
Amen Brother!
And just so everyone remembers, Malachi 3:6 says the Lord doesn't change. His immutability is one of His Divine attributes. So, yeah, the God that rained fire and brimstone down on the Sodomites still HATES HOMOSEXUALITY.
And just so everyone remembers, Malachi 3:6 says the Lord doesn't change. His immutability is one of His Divine attributes. So, yeah, the God that rained fire and brimstone down on the Sodomites still HATES HOMOSEXUALITY.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 1:44 pm to Fat Bastard
quote:Is that link supposed to be proof of you proving sola scriptura and sola fide wrong? I responded to the particular post you linked to in that thread and was never responded to after that. I'm curious why that is.
you believe in sola scriptura and sola fide both patently false as we have proven in past debates with you.
LINK
You need to repent of your sins and put your trust in Jesus Christ alone to save you from your sins. Not Rome. Not Mary. Not your good works. It's faith alone in Christ alone that saves anyone.
Romans 1 just as much describes "Christians" who exchange the truth about God for a lie and worship other humans instead of God alone.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 1:46 pm to burger bearcat
Thank you. Paul's letter to the Romans is my favorite Epistle. He doesn't mince words.
We're witnessing some alarming events in our country (and the world) right now. But I must remind myself it is the Season of Lent.
It's the Fifth Friday of Lent. We are approaching the most solemn celebration in the Liturgical Year - The Easter Triduum. I read St. Anne Catherine Emmerich book (The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ:From the visions of Anne Catherine Emmerich) describing her vision of the Passion of Our Lord. How could any man endure that without going completely mad? The book was the basis for Mel Gibson's Movie The Passion of the Christ. I recall, to discourage people from seeing the movie, Hollywood gave the film an "R" rating (my opinion).
That the movie is disturbing to watch is undeniable, but Crucifixion was no cakewalk. Gibson admitted he did not include other revelations (scenes) from the book because those scenes would have been even more disturbing.
I would urge my fellow TD readers to get their hands on a copy of the movie "The Passion of the Christ" and view it with your family sometime during Holy Week. Then remind your children that our redemption is paid for by the Blood of the (unblemished) Lamb (i.e., Jesus Christ).
We (including myself) must be reminded that God answers the prayer of the afflicted soul. Reflecting on the slaughter of those beautiful souls at Covenant Presbyterian School in Nashville, my heart is afflicted. But I should remember they're in a beautiful peaceful place now.
Pater caelestis, salva nos ab insidiis diaboli
We're witnessing some alarming events in our country (and the world) right now. But I must remind myself it is the Season of Lent.
It's the Fifth Friday of Lent. We are approaching the most solemn celebration in the Liturgical Year - The Easter Triduum. I read St. Anne Catherine Emmerich book (The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ:From the visions of Anne Catherine Emmerich) describing her vision of the Passion of Our Lord. How could any man endure that without going completely mad? The book was the basis for Mel Gibson's Movie The Passion of the Christ. I recall, to discourage people from seeing the movie, Hollywood gave the film an "R" rating (my opinion).
That the movie is disturbing to watch is undeniable, but Crucifixion was no cakewalk. Gibson admitted he did not include other revelations (scenes) from the book because those scenes would have been even more disturbing.
I would urge my fellow TD readers to get their hands on a copy of the movie "The Passion of the Christ" and view it with your family sometime during Holy Week. Then remind your children that our redemption is paid for by the Blood of the (unblemished) Lamb (i.e., Jesus Christ).
We (including myself) must be reminded that God answers the prayer of the afflicted soul. Reflecting on the slaughter of those beautiful souls at Covenant Presbyterian School in Nashville, my heart is afflicted. But I should remember they're in a beautiful peaceful place now.
Pater caelestis, salva nos ab insidiis diaboli
This post was edited on 3/31/23 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 3/31/23 at 1:47 pm to Sailin Tiger
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Can you show me where gods power has been clearly seen without using the bible to prove the bible?
If you could sit down with me and listen, I could show you many instances in my personal life where God's power has been clearly seen. However, I am of the opinion that you still wouldn't be able to see it.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 1:51 pm to FooManChoo
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Not Rome. Not Mary. Not your good works. It's faith alone in Christ alone that saves anyone.
Romans 1 just as much describes "Christians" who exchange the truth about God for a lie and worship other humans instead of God alone.
This is a bit of a cheap shot that gets tiresome having to debunk. Catholics do not worship Mary, Saints, or the Pope and no where has that ever been claimed as a thing by any Catholic. I understand there are some theological differences and disagreements on Sola and Prima,etc., but why stoop to taking cheap shots that aren't accurate.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 1:54 pm to burger bearcat
quote:I mentioned nothing of Catholicism until it was brought into this topic. I circled back to Romans 1 to try to keep this thing on track, and it is certainly true that one doesn't have to "bow down" (though that does happen) to other human beings to make them a de-facto idol, as Romans 1 is talking about.
This is a bit of a cheap shot that gets tiresome having to debunk. Catholics do not worship Mary, Saints, or the Pope and no where has that ever been claimed as a thing by any Catholic. I understand there are some theological differences and disagreements on Sola and Prima,etc., but why stoop to taking cheap shots that aren't accurate.
And it wasn't a cheap shot. I believe that Rome teaches a false gospel and creates idols that Paul and the rest of Scripture condemns. My point about Mary, etc. was that none of them can save anyone. It's faith alone in Christ alone that saves anyone.
Now back to the topic at hand...
This post was edited on 3/31/23 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:06 pm to FooManChoo
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My point about Mary, etc. was that none of them can save anyone
Don't want to side track either. But just to clarify, Catholics also believe only God is divine. Mary or Saints cannot save. I realize we disagree on intercession, but agree to disagree.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:09 pm to burger bearcat
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All while rejecting his written word.
Why wouldn't you reject the bible it is full of mythology, contradictions, and horrible events. Do you believe a loving god would do to the Canaanites as it was written. Do you actually believe the stories of creation and that of Noah or Job?
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:09 pm to BFIV
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If you could sit down with me and listen, I could show you many instances in my personal life where God's power has been clearly seen. However, I am of the opinion that you still wouldn't be able to see it.
You are likely right as to this point all instances that I have seen people share come down to simple coincidence that they attributed to god because of a biased belief system.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:15 pm to Tyger32
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There will never be enough evidence to convert a man…
I seek answers but will not believe something without evidence. The bible is a poor doctrine in this regard to base ones life around.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:19 pm to lake chuck fan
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Faith is required to believe.
Faith is very literally the belief in something without evidence. If god were just and truly wanted people to believe wouldn't he reveal himself today in the same ways he is said to have revealed himself in the bible. Would he have allowed the bible to be written in a way that has so many contradictions of its own writing and no evidence the stories happened in history the way they are written.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:24 pm to Sailin Tiger
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I seek answers but will not believe something without evidence.
You'll see what you wish to see. And fail to see what you do not wish to see.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:26 pm to Stitches
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Are you asking for proof of God's power without using the Bible to support this idea? I'm not quite sure what you're asking.
Yes I am asking you show evidence of god without using only the text of the bible and the biased sources derived from the view of belief. The bible has been shown to be factually incorrect many times. The only way one can believe the bible's truthfulness is to come from a view of already believing it.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:29 pm to NCIS_76
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Better question.
Why do YOU not?
If I opened a book that is supposed to be historical and it started with "Napolean jumped in a spaceship" I would likely just close that book and never think about it again. The bible however is put out there as something historican AND something someone should base their lives around and it starts with the impossible stories of creation and Adam and Eve. It then continues with historically inaccurate accounts of the Jews exile from egypt. Not to mention human/animal sacrifice genocide, rape, pillaging and other horrors committed by god and his people.
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