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Posted on 3/29/23 at 12:23 pm to el Gaucho
Sorry bro. I don't think that's how it works. It's like picking and choosing which sin is better or worse than other. Because I don't do that sin (homosexuality) therefore I'm better than them. This is how the progressives argue. We should not stop calling out sin because we too sin but we should try to be a good example.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 12:30 pm to DocRock
Thank you for the insight. We visited the other church a few times and quickly decided it wasn’t for us.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 12:34 pm to Sek
quote:You get to keep your buildings and such if you pay the 2 years' apportionment and unfunded pension liabilities. Some stuff you have must go. You can't use the "flame and cross" anywhere in your church. You can't use the Methodist hymnal. You essentially must get rid of anything that "they" think belongs to the UMC.
We are in Texas and someone said at least here in tx we can keep our stuff. Not sure of the accuracy of that. However we got to keep everything and don't have to pay the big church 20k each year.
As evil as they are, I wonder will they sue the Global Methodist Church as the have their own Book of Discipline. How could stay the traditional Church without plagiarizing the original Book of Discipline?
Posted on 3/29/23 at 12:41 pm to tilco
Here's my take:
The Book of Discipline is what sets the standards for clergy and lay people in the UMC regarding doctrine and policy. For years, liberal/leftist bishops have been operating outside the Book of Discipline without repercussions.
Traditionalists want the Book of Discipline adhered to since it has not been changed, especially in regards to gay-related issues.
At next year's annual conference, though, the queers will likely prevail, which is why the split is happening.
My church is going to remain UMC, but will not be doing gay marriage, having gay clergy, or pretending trans people are normal.
If it ever does, I'm out.
The Book of Discipline is what sets the standards for clergy and lay people in the UMC regarding doctrine and policy. For years, liberal/leftist bishops have been operating outside the Book of Discipline without repercussions.
Traditionalists want the Book of Discipline adhered to since it has not been changed, especially in regards to gay-related issues.
At next year's annual conference, though, the queers will likely prevail, which is why the split is happening.
My church is going to remain UMC, but will not be doing gay marriage, having gay clergy, or pretending trans people are normal.
If it ever does, I'm out.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 12:47 pm to Knartfocker
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Do the trads believe in women being in the clergy, too?
Good point. I don't know, I'm not Methodist.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 12:51 pm to mtntiger
quote:By staying, money from your church will go to your Conference and some of that money goes to the UMC. It could easily be used to advance some of these progressive policies; like decide where or what UMCOR wants to do with it. I knew last Spring I was leaving the UMC one way or the other. My voted to disaffiliate and the vote wasn't even close.
My church is going to remain UMC, but will not be doing gay marriage, having gay clergy, or pretending trans people are normal.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:09 pm to bleedpg
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DarthRebel.
I don't usually call out a fellow believer but your half naked picture makes your words look foolish. Lust is a sin and you are promoting it. Being a married man myself I have to look away from your picture so that I would not have lust in my heart. Jesus said if you look at a woman with lust you commit adultery. I hope you don't hate me for calling out the obvious.
Take care.
This is probably where we differ, I do not lust after any of the women I ever post or see in the real world.
You can enjoy the beauty of the female form, like you enjoy the beauty of a sunset. God made women beautiful for a reason and that does not mean impurity should be implied.
This verse right here is important
quote:
Jesus said if you look at a woman with lust you commit adultery
If you are going to cast that stone, you probably should not make assumptions.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 2:09 pm to Diamondawg
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My church is going to remain UMC, but will not be doing gay marriage, having gay clergy, or pretending trans people are normal.
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By staying, money from your church will go to your Conference and some of that money goes to the UMC. It could easily be used to advance some of these progressive policies; like decide where or what UMCOR wants to do with it. I knew last Spring I was leaving the UMC one way or the other. My voted to disaffiliate and the vote wasn't even close.
Correct. That congregation cannot stay UMC and claim not to support any of those things. A portion of their collected funds are obligated to go to the national UMC, who is advancing those policies.
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:10 pm to bleedpg
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We should not stop calling out sin because we too sin
Actually you should. You know what drives people away from Christianity, people doing exactly this. There are actual verses in the Bible telling you not to do this.
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we should try to be a good example
This is what you should do.
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:14 pm to ShoeBang
quote:Well not every church has millennia of pagan tradition to fall back on.
It sure is tough to keep a house standing when it is built on sand.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:15 pm to RAB
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The UMC is actually a good case study of how leftists are operating in America: destroying institutions from the inside out.
Perfect
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:23 pm to VolcanicTiger
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Well not every church has millennia of pagan tradition to fall back on.
Right, that's why the troons are taking over those other churches.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:26 pm to DarthRebel
I actually stood up for you
I don’t mind sharing heavens trailer park with you if they got food stamps and welfare and they don’t make you go to work. That would be awesome
However not calling out sinners is how the church got to where it is today. I think the weird people should be called out
I don’t mind sharing heavens trailer park with you if they got food stamps and welfare and they don’t make you go to work. That would be awesome
However not calling out sinners is how the church got to where it is today. I think the weird people should be called out
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:35 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:Some, and arguably the most Catholic-adjacent. You don't see them in many (if any) Pentecostal or Southern Baptist churches.
Right, that's why the troons are taking over those other churches.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:48 pm to el Gaucho
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I actually stood up for you
I know, I was honored
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However not calling out sinners is how the church got to where it is today. I think the weird people should be called out
While you have a point, it is a struggle. This is where we get into the "what part of the bible do I want to follow". The path is not clear -
1 Timothy 5:20
"As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. "
Matthew 7:1
“Judge not, that you be not judged. "
Matthew 7:3
"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? "
There is a line that is hard not to cross. The best thing you can do, be a good example in life.
Here is a good quick read -
https://inallthings.org/should-christians-call-out-sin-in-others/
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Should Christians call out sin? Firstly, we have to be very careful before we do. We need to make sure we’ve checked in with ourselves, our own sin, our motivation, and our desired outcome. We have to make sure what we’re addressing is scriptural, and not just based on our own preferences or biases. And ultimately, we need to have a relationship with the person built around trust. In the absence of these things, the answer is almost always no
Going back whichever poster in question went on the attack, they thought themselves worthy enough to judge me without even knowing a thing about me. How very Christian of them
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:56 pm to VolcanicTiger
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Well not every church has millennia of pagan tradition to fall back on
Funny enough, I wasn't talking about Catholicism, but you sure found a need to bring it up only to shite on it. I was speaking about those who think allowing gay marriage and trannies to invade their churches as being the shaky moral foundation.
Outside of wanting to shite on other christians, did you have a point?
Posted on 3/29/23 at 4:08 pm to ShoeBang
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It sure is tough to keep a house standing when it is built on sand.
You remove two of the three legs of a stool and man's two feet are the only thing left to hold it up.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 4:12 pm to VolcanicTiger
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Some, and arguably the most Catholic-adjacent. You don't see them in many (if any) Pentecostal or Southern Baptist churches.
Or, "arguably" you could look at any Prot denom with a hierarchy and bureaucracy as being susceptible to the promises of compromising to retain relevance.
I don't know where you judgement of "proximity" to Rome comes into play here. Surely the UMC finds more common ground with Zwingli and Calvin's descendants than the Catholic Church.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 4:14 pm to ShoeBang
quote:If you weren't, I apologize. I'm sure you can at least see how that was a fair conclusion. I don't shite on Catholics because I don't have anything against them except when the arrogance appears, which looked to be the case.
Funny enough, I wasn't talking about Catholicism, but you sure found a need to bring it up only to shite on it. I was speaking about those who think allowing gay marriage and trannies to invade their churches as being the shaky moral foundation.
Outside of wanting to shite on other christians, did you have a point?
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