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re: What was the country’s reaction to the 1993 Waco siege when that was going on?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:47 am to Dam Guide
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:47 am to Dam Guide
Weird how the FBI lying to everyone is actually the default mode for them. People need to realize that. They are not a force for good in this country. They are brass knuckles of the permanent bureaucrat class / Uniparty / Establishment.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 5:27 pm to LaLadyinTx
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So true. People actually read the newspaper. It was still news that was filtered through the reporter's eyes, but a lot more details than a 30-60 second sound bite like people get now since so many don't do anything but read headlines on social media or see little snippets on Twitter a
Twitter is the best news source ever invented if you'd like to know the real story behind an event
Without Twitter you think most of American knows that today's Nashville shooter was trans?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:40 pm to Dam Guide
I wonder how many readers and posters here know that Bill Barr was the Attorney General during Ruby Ridge? Bill Barr...yall remember him? You should.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 9:58 pm to Byrdybyrd05
After binge-watching 10-12 hours of shows this week and getting as much information on this story as I could, I'd like to share my thoughts.
First off - holy moly the mistakes that were made by the FBI throughout this hole ordeal.
#1 If they thought Koresh was a criminal, they could have arrested him any time he left the compound.
#2 The FBI knew the Branch Davidians had lots of high-powered weapons in the compound... what in the world did they think would happen when they showed up with 75 agents on raid day????
#3 During the 50 days after the initial raid, the Negotiators were working one way, and the tactical guys were being agressive and taunting the Davidians. Definately not helping build trust.... as the negotiatiors were trying to get people out.
#4 The CS Gas at the end. I get it. 51 days and they weren't getting anywhere. At some point they had to go in and get this over.
Now - David Koresh... WOW. I don't know where to start.
I think, the minute he made it a rule that all of the marriages had to split, that should have been everyone's big red flag.
No one on the compound could have sex, except him. And he took whomever he wanted as a wife and got them pregnant. Men had to give up there wives ... when in reality, it was to feed his own lust.
And don't even get me started on the underage girls. That's just gross....
He controlled everyone there.
But in the end, as the place was being pounded with CS gas and, smoke and flames, no one came out. THe Davidians were so strong in their beliefs .... and yes, many of them went into a place in the compound they thought was safe.... they could have come out.
Horrible situation all the way around. Lots of mistakes on both sides. The arrogance of the FBI... and the brainwashing of the "cult".
Sad sad deal.
First off - holy moly the mistakes that were made by the FBI throughout this hole ordeal.
#1 If they thought Koresh was a criminal, they could have arrested him any time he left the compound.
#2 The FBI knew the Branch Davidians had lots of high-powered weapons in the compound... what in the world did they think would happen when they showed up with 75 agents on raid day????
#3 During the 50 days after the initial raid, the Negotiators were working one way, and the tactical guys were being agressive and taunting the Davidians. Definately not helping build trust.... as the negotiatiors were trying to get people out.
#4 The CS Gas at the end. I get it. 51 days and they weren't getting anywhere. At some point they had to go in and get this over.
Now - David Koresh... WOW. I don't know where to start.
I think, the minute he made it a rule that all of the marriages had to split, that should have been everyone's big red flag.
No one on the compound could have sex, except him. And he took whomever he wanted as a wife and got them pregnant. Men had to give up there wives ... when in reality, it was to feed his own lust.
And don't even get me started on the underage girls. That's just gross....
He controlled everyone there.
But in the end, as the place was being pounded with CS gas and, smoke and flames, no one came out. THe Davidians were so strong in their beliefs .... and yes, many of them went into a place in the compound they thought was safe.... they could have come out.
Horrible situation all the way around. Lots of mistakes on both sides. The arrogance of the FBI... and the brainwashing of the "cult".
Sad sad deal.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:04 pm to wheelz007
And yes, I do believe the Branch Davidians poured fuel and started the fire. I'm not 100% sure, but based on the hours and hours of documentaries and programs I watched.... I do believe it was Koresh's plan to have the place burned instead of going to jail.
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:14 pm to wheelz007
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#2 The FBI knew the Branch Davidians had lots of high-powered weapons in the compound... what in the world did they think would happen when they showed up with 75 agents on raid day????
All that watching and you didn’t figure out the ATF and FBI were two different organizations.
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But in the end, as the place was being pounded with CS gas and, smoke and flames, no one came out. THe Davidians were so strong in their beliefs .... and yes, many of them went into a place in the compound they thought was safe.... they could have come out.
Nine people left during the fire, including David Thibodeau who wrote a book. The women and children were in the bottom of the tower. The tanks focused on it dumping a frick ton of CS gas in there, in doing that they broke through the concrete killing some of them with the debris and they also pushed all kinds of debris into the entry point of the bunker area. The FBI made sure them leaving wasn’t a big possibility as none of that group survived.
This post was edited on 4/14/23 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:18 pm to wheelz007
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And yes, I do believe the Branch Davidians poured fuel and started the fire. I'm not 100% sure, but based on the hours and hours of documentaries and programs I watched.... I do believe it was Koresh's plan to have the place burned instead of going to jail.
I think the FBI negotiators could have gotten most out if they had been allowed to do it. Koresh, I’m not sure if he would have left. I think it definitely would have been better to let the negotiators play it out.
I think they probably started the fires as well. Given what the government did, they knew they were screwed if they left. Look at the bullshite they did to the survivors, they had every right to fear leaving. I don’t think the government did themselves any favors to make themselves look better in regard to this though. They straight up lied about using any CS rounds that could start a fire until 1999 and then were like yeah we did use that type of round.
This post was edited on 4/14/23 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 4/14/23 at 10:48 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Big MSM wagon circling around Clinton and Reno.
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