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that’s because if a child is born with a penis, it’s a male, and if it’s born with a vagina, it’s a female. That’s all there is to it. There are no exceptions.

You are 100%, without reserve on my part, and undeniably right as rain in this assertion. It is an absolute fact that the presence of a penis is a biological certainty that the person attached is a male. The same applies to a vagina and a female. Biology cannot be denied... there are those who will but as you so eloquently point out in the rest of your post they are idiots.

Gender, on the other hand, has no basis in biology or science. It is, in its entirety, based on cultural and societal expectations based on the biological fact but in no way dependent on that fact because no one ever consults the individual on the matter. Consultation is not necessary as it is the culture and society at large who determines gender, not biology and not the individual. Most individuals accept the opinion of the masses on their gender. Some, for a myriad of reasons, do not. Given that it is a pretty basic foundation of an individual's sense of themselves it is logical to accept, as readily, their sense of self in the same way we accept the typical person who accepts the masses sense of the individual. To suggest otherwise indicates that the individual making the suggestion has DECIDED that they are indeed in agreement with the masses and had considered alternatives. I don't think many people have ever done this...I know I haven't. It could indicate why so many people are put off by the idea that sex and gender are not the same thing....guilt and self recrimination are powerful forces.

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Posted by GRTiger

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Posted on 3/23/23 at 8:59 am to AwgustaDawg

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Gender, on the other hand, has no basis in biology or science. It is, in its entirety, based on cultural and societal expectations based on the biological fact but in no way dependent on that fact

That's fine. If a man wants to be and be treated like a "cultural woman," whatever he thinks that means, then so he it. But when a topic comes up in which biology is a key variable, social gender identity should be totally disregarded. Your social gender has nothing to do with correct bathroom use, proper medical care, physical competition, etc. Just like if a person who thinks they're a dog bites you, you don't call animal control to have them put down because we've moved from the random fantasyland of cultural identity and into the real life biological discussion. It's also why doctors generally don't enable patients with apotemnophilia (body integrity identity disorder) by amputating healthy limbs. Nobody is stopping them from acting like an amputee and pretending to share that experience, but when it gets to the point of wanting physical intervention, it's time to check up stairs.

Also, everyone feels like what they think the other gender feels like sometimes. The range of human emotion and feelings isn't based on gender or even sex, but on humanity. We all experience the same emotions and feelings, the difference is in the interpretation and behavioral response to the feelings. Some of those responses are based on brain chemistry, some are learned through society/culture, and some are based on biology. The chemical responses are unique to the individual. Social responses can be anything, and it's why there are what society perceived as feminine men and masculine women. The biological responses are based on your biological sex and cannot be replicated through transition.

Given human nature, it's monsterous to allow children, through hormonal and physical intervention, to go through transition. Feelings are dynamic and change over time, especially in developing young people. It's cruel to make permanent changes to the body based on the temporary and unrefined feelings of a developing person.

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Posted by HouseMom

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Posted on 3/23/23 at 9:26 am to AwgustaDawg

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Gender, on the other hand, has no basis in biology or science.

Correct. This is why people have enjoyed going to funny drag queen brunches in New Orleans for eons. This is why nobody is surprised when a lesbian may dress (culturally) like a man and wear short hair. No big deal. Literally nobody cares.

The big change is now this group is trying to combine culture and biology/science into saying that a trans woman IS a woman and vice versa. If it's just cultural, why the hormone changes? Why the surgeries? Why the NEED to use another restroom if it doesn't really mean anything and it's no big deal?

And to your point about restrooms, you know what you're saying is absurd. The point is to separate boy parts and girl parts because being in a public room with your pants down can make some people uncomfortable and others feel a little too excited. Males and females don't need to be in this situation together, for obvious reasons.

You're being purposefully obtuse.

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