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re: Will Wade sounds off on potential return, transfer portal, current state of college basket

Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:06 pm to
Posted by Superfluous Tiger
Houston
Member since Nov 2021
669 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:06 pm to
Sounds like he has a pretty realistic and accurate understanding of how college basketball works these days: you don’t build a program you build a team. Basically, a new coach has one off-season to figure it out and put a team together. Gone are the days of planning to finally have a championship team 3-4 years down the road. It doesn’t work like that. The players will be gone long before then and the fans will already want you gone too.

And the key is to have the best players who need the least development. So in one off-season you’ve got put together a team with whatever resources are available at the destination you find yourself in. Oh there’s no institutionalized pipeline supported by a legion of wealthy boosters (like at LSU) to pay players and their families in order to have a steady supply of 5 star talent? Tough luck, figure it out.

It’s too bad we’ve got so many deluded fans that can’t understand this is exactly what he was dealing with and trying to do here. “Oh but muh Dickie V don’t like it!”
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 7:13 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48391 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 7:09 pm to
Night and day compared to the elementary gym teacher running things now.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6013 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 4:04 am to
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Sounds like he has a pretty realistic and accurate understanding of how college basketball works these days: you don’t build a program you build a team. Basically, a new coach has one off-season to figure it out and put a team together. Gone are the days of planning to finally have a championship team 3-4 years down the road. It doesn’t work like that. The players will be gone long before then and the fans will already want you gone too.


This is what gets me as I read thread after thread about the same topic, stating: "You have to give the man at least three years to build his program".

Do these same people also believe that mail is still delivered on horseback? Basketball has always been a sport where you can build a team very quickly, due to the limited number of players who are needed compared to other sports. But in the old days, you couldn't just go out and get what you wanted without establishing some kind of model of success to attract better recruits who could get you over the top. The one and done age meant that every team who was any good was probably having to "rebuild" every year. Now, with the portal, one and done, and NIL, you can't make the excuse that you had too much roster turnover, when almost every team will have major turnover, every year; and you also have no excuse to not be able to construct a competitive roster at a place like LSU, pretty much immediately, if you are any good at recruiting and your team isn't absolutely terrible. But I don't know how well he's going to recruit if LSU struggles to even win another game this year.

So we'll see how that goes. But the whole "at least three years" thing is pretty unrealistic. If next year is like this one, I'd be stunned if he got a third year. If next year is a huge turnaround, then we won't be asking ourselves if he can build a winner by year three. He'd have already gotten it done. But then he'd need to get ready to prove he can sustain it... Because it's a year to year business now, more than it's ever been.

I firmly believe, despite the opinions expressed by many, that this roster was good enough on paper to win 8 or 9 league games this year. So I do not consider this season as just being a mulligan that we should write off. But I will say in McMahon's defense that it was a particularly short off-season, under the circumstances, and so while I don't think it's an excuse for being this bad, I think he should (and will, undoubtedly) get the opportunity to show what he can do with an entire off-season and recruiting cycle to see if he can get better players, and get the right players for his system. But that's it. If it's another terrible season, I don't think LSU waits around for year three.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 4:33 am
Posted by da prophet
hammond, la
Member since Sep 2013
2373 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 10:40 am to
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It’s too bad we’ve got so many deluded fans that can’t understand this is exactly what he was dealing with and trying to do here. “Oh but muh Dickie V don’t like it!”

These people are not fans, they are anti LSU. They want LSU to lose in all sports.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4034 posts
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:12 pm to
Although it's the harsh reality today, that approach will be hit and miss and will yield you a championship every so often, look at Kentucky, won their most recent championship with 3 super talented freshmen ( most likely bought and paid for ) in the starting lineup and has been a good team since and just subpar the last 2 years. You won't win the recruiting/NIL battle every year. This approach is not sustainable every year because it's predicated on immense talent amassed at one time to win in one year, that's very hard to do and is lightning in a bottle. It may be how it has to be approached but your year to year results will have lows in there also if the boosters miss out on outbidding for the best players, coach misses his assessment of talent or the players just don't gel.
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