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re: Florida To Begin Sentencing Pedophiles to Death – Democrats Outraged
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:30 am to Robin Masters
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:30 am to Robin Masters
quote:
I’m opposed to the death penalty
I'm not pro death penalty, but I'm not hardcore opposed either.
I think it should be exclusively reserved for politicians.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:30 am to SOSFAN
quote:Philosophically, or legally?
So aggiehank do you believe a convicted pedophile should get the DP or LWP. They have destroyed a child's innocence and soul, which most likely leads to a lifetime of issues so shouldn't they pay with their life through either death or jailed for life. State your position.
Philosophically, I have no problem with the death penalty in general or with executing child molesters in particular. They are inherently recidivist, and I have seen not evidence that they can be rehabilitated. As such, execution seems efficient. You won't hear the stupid platitudes about the "value of human life" from me.
Pragmatically, I have a problem with the application of the death penalty in this or in any other case, because the simple fact is that the justice system "gets it wrong" all too often. I do not like the notion of executing innocent citizens. Here, that seems to make me a pinko Leftist, which really says more about the speaker than about me.
As to the morons like the Houston guy who are perfectly-willing not only to kill ... but to TORTURE ... a few innocents defendants to get the catharsis of executing a few guilty perps, I have nothing but contempt. A person willing to knowingly torture an innocent person is no less a sociopath than the perp himself. Candidly, removing him from the gene pool would be almost as advantageous as removing the criminal he wants to torture.
As to torturing a PROVEN child molester? Sorry, but no. Even a crime that heinous does not justify state-sponsored barbarism in a civilized society.
Legally, SCOTUS says that it is unconstitutional to execute a child molester who did not kill his victim. //endfile//
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 11:36 am
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:31 am to Houag80
quote:
You will not get a truthful response. I assume that you asked rhetorically.
I like watching Hank tapdance and weave out of making a stance. His use of "what ifs" and "maybe..but" while thinking we can't see through his BS makes me laugh.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:31 am to Houag80
quote:You have the IQ of pocket lint.
You will not get a truthful response. I assume that you asked rhetorically.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:32 am to SOSFAN
quote:
I like watching Hank tapdance and weave out of making a stance.
Every thread.
THe only opinions he holds are legal ones. I don't think he realizes you can form opinions on things that aren't in legal language.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:33 am to SOSFAN
quote:By all means, please demonstrate how you think I did this in the preceding post.
I like watching Hank tapdance and weave out of making a stance.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Roger, I think that you have become more obsessed with me than is little Ooga.
RogerTheShrubber
Congrats, I guess.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:34 am to AggieHank86
quote:
to torturing a PROVEN child molester
I can understand that. Would you have an issue with the child molester being placed in Genpop with an announcement made of their conviction?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:35 am to AggieHank86
quote:
By all means, please demonstrate how you think I did this in the preceding post.
If you actually have to be shown then I seriously doubt you will ever understand.
Normal law abiding citizens with morals and ethics would aggressively defend the child and demand the perps be taken out of society yet you choose to discuss the " ifs, maybe, but what ifs" of a trial. That's not normal behavior.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 11:42 am
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:38 am to Placekicker
Hmmmm need to get Biden to visit FL
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:43 am to SOSFAN
quote:That raises interesting moral and ethical questions.
I can understand that. Would you have an issue with the child molester being placed in Genpop with an announcement made of their conviction?
Empirical evidence shows us that such prisoners generally do NOT survive long in GenPop, but instead get shivved with a quickness.
Morally, can (or "should") the State impose a "de facto" punishment (here, execution) that it is prohibited from imposing "de jure?"
I tend to think "no."
Statistically, child molesters are not violent to other adults, and they do not present much of an escape risk. An argument can be made that they are "victim" as much as "perp," given that almost EVERY child molester was molested as a child himself. Because recidivism is so very high, it IS very risky to release them.
It might make more sense to impose life without parole, segregate them in some sort of medium- or low-security prison environment for the remainder of their lives, and put them to doing some sort of productive work for the State (e.g. making license plates or growing food for other prisoners).
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:45 am to SOSFAN
quote:You think that concerns about imposing the death penalty constitute "tap dancing around the issue," when based upon the (very real) risks of wrongful conviction?
Normal law abiding citizens with morals and ethics would aggressively defend the child and demand the perps be taken out of society yet you choose to discuss the " ifs, maybe, but what ifs" of a trial. That's not normal behavior
Sorry, amigo, but yours is an emotional reaction.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:45 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Empirical evidence shows us that such prisoners generally do NOT survive long in GenPop, but instead get shivved with a quickness.
Morally, can (or "should") the State impose a "de facto" punishment (here, execution) that it is prohibited from imposing "de jure?"
I tend to think "no."
So you think a child molester, that has killed a child's innocence and spirit" should be protected from other criminals. Now do you see why you are called a protector of groomers...
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:48 am to SOSFAN
quote:
Normal law abiding citizens with morals and ethics would aggressively defend the child and demand the perps be taken out of society
Some don't have morals or a value system. Theirs is based solely on public perception.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:50 am to AggieHank86
quote:
You think that concerns about imposing the death penalty constitute "tap dancing around the issue," when based upon the (very real) risks of wrongful conviction?
You being more concerned about the 1% of wrong convictions while ignoring the 99% of correct convictions is very telling. Saying that a convicted child molester still should be protected from others leads one to wonder if deep down inside you have done something that you think you should be protected from...just my opinion.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:51 am to SOSFAN
quote:No, I think that it is immoral in the broadest sense for the State to do "de facto" that which it is prohibited from doing "de jure."
So you think a child molester, that has killed a child's innocence and spirit" should be protected from other criminals. Now do you see why you are called a protector of groomers...
Your hypo regarding a child molester in the GenPop is just ONE example of that.
You are basically saying that it was perfectly OK for Solomon to send Uriah to the front with the assault troops and get him killed (and produce a widow Solomon could marry), because Solomon did not TECHNICALLY just take a sword and kill Uriah.
Solomon's actions were immoral, as are the actions that you propose. No apologies for that opinion.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:53 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Statistically, child molesters are not violent to other adults, and they do not present much of an escape risk. An argument can be made that they are "victim" as much as "perp," given that almost EVERY child
There is no wondering about you now. Child molester as a victim... you're a disgusting POS.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:54 am to AggieHank86
quote:
An argument can be made that they are "victim" as much as "perp,"
No doubt about it now, Hank has admitted his softness for molesters and child rapists.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:55 am to AggieHank86
Hmmm...was that a threat? "...removing him from the gene pool...would almost serve the same purpose of executing the pedophile. "....because he hurt my feelings.
Never change Hank...you keep revealing more of your "character".
Never change Hank...you keep revealing more of your "character".
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:56 am to AggieHank86
quote:
You are basically saying that it was perfectly OK for Solomon to send Uriah to the front with the assault troops and get him killed (and produce a widow Solomon could marry), because Solomon did not TECHNICALLY just take a sword and kill Uriah.
Perfect example of you tap dancing with a pile of jibbersh bullshite.
You think an argument can be made that child molester is a victim. Your words that everyone here sees. F u
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