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Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:14 pm to Bronc
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Go woke, go broke amirite
You never fail to be a fricking idiot out of nowhere.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:25 am to AggieHank86
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(Of course, I have also had a lifelong crush on Jeanne Tripplehorn).
I found Tripplehorn to be hotter than Stone in Basic Instinct.
And I love blondes.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 6:34 am to cgrand
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i will go to the mat for both movies. dont care who much they made or didnt make, i like them both a lot
It's okay to like bad movies. My favorite John Wayne movie is Rio Lobo. I can recognize that many of his other films are better though.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 7:19 am to JetsetNuggs
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Matt Damon passed up being Jake Sully
Some actors make bad decisions
A case for the bad decision wrecking what could have been a tolerable movie.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 7:58 am to Havoc
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You never fail to be a fricking idiot out of nowhere.
I posted the obtuse gif as a cheeky play on the thread topic. But seriously, I cannot believe that some people are that... well, obtuse. It has to be willful ignorance.
I can't believe I'm about to deign to do this, but I'm sorry. I respect The Shawshank Redemption far too much to let a claim that it's an example of "wokeness" hang out there without a complete rebuttal.
Morgan Freeman's casting in TSR, far from being an example of the race-swapping bullshite we see today, is actually the exact opposite. How do we know that? Well...
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Gene Hackman and Robert Duvall, who were unavailable for one reason or another. The Daily Beast reported that Harrison Ford, Paul Newman, and Clint Eastwood were considered for the role, Ford being Reiner's initial choice
In other words, the creators of TSR didn't set out with the intent to race-swap Red's character. Rather, they recognized Freeman's persona as a perfect fit for the character and said "You know what, who cares what his skin color is? He's perfect for the role."
That is exactly the kind of meritocracy and color-blindness that conservatives and those "racist MAGAs" champion and pine for.
Remember kids, this movie was made back in the halcyon days when the prevailing philosophy of racial relations was to judge someone by the content of their character, and not the color of their skin. In this case, the filmmakers judged Freeman's character...literally
What would a "woke" TSR actually look like?
Gone would be Andy Dufresne, the soft-spoken accountant, and instead we'd have Andrea, a strong and outspoken black woman arrested at a peaceful BLM rally and imprisoned for 20 years under false pretenses; really, the only crime she committed was "being black."
Shawshank is now a women's prison, populated almost entirely by black women and guarded by a leering cadre of white male prison guards, many of whom gang rape the black female prisoners on the regular. The allusion to pre-Civil War slavery is about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the face; the guards even refer to themselves as "overseers" and at one point one them growls the line "let's lynch this cotton-picking bitch."
The only white prisoner - Red, ironically - is a redheaded lesbian who strikes up a friendship, and then an eventual romance with Andrea, who is bisexual by the way, because of course she is.
Brooks has been replaced by the lady who played the Oracle in the Matrix; a wise matron who once marched alongside MLK, but was likewise arrested and imprisoned for life for the crime of "being black."
In one the movie's most poignant scenes, she counsels Andrea that "nothing will change" until the white patriarchal justice system has been torn down. She later commits suicide (see how faithful to the original they're being?!), enraging Andrea who vows to escape from Shawshank in order to fight back against the U.S. justice system and all the white people who somehow collectively pushed her friend to commit suicide.
Gone are the original themes of hope and friendship, replaced by a supertanker's worth of bitter, angry socio-political commentary and lecturing.
For anyone who was in doubt about what "going woke" means, have I spelled it out clearly enough?
Now is what I wrote a caricature of wokeness? Sure. But look me in the eye and tell me that all of the above haven't been shoehorned at one point or another into existing and once-beloved IP or else crammed into new IP that we're "supposed to like."
Honestly, I'm a bit scared that I've done some hollywood scriptwriter a favor, and that they'll stumble upon this reboot synopsis and copy/paste it to their bosses whilst sporting a raging hard-on.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 6:48 am
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:02 am to Baylor
Costner would have done well with this material. But when I saw Shawshank Redemption as a young man I wasn’t familiar with Tim Robbins.
With Costner as the lead I would have already had a feeling he would come out on top in the end. Robbins portrayal of Andy was so unassuming and timid I began to lose hope for him.
With Costner as the lead I would have already had a feeling he would come out on top in the end. Robbins portrayal of Andy was so unassuming and timid I began to lose hope for him.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 10:18 am to UGATiger26
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Honestly, I'm a bit scared that I've done some hollywood scriptwriter a favor, and that they'll stumble upon this reboot synopsis and copy/paste it to their bosses whist sporting a raging hard-on.
I was actually going to respond by saying good going you just gave them an idea.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 12:25 pm to Baylor
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he did waterworld which was his worst movie ever
No it's not. It's The Bodyguard.
Kevin at his best:
3000 Miles to Graceland
Actually it's Bull Durham. Top 5 movie all time for me.
After all said and done, the movie didn't even flop even though it was called one. They had a massive budget overrun and the media pounced. A hurricane hit the set, Costner had a heart attack or something, filming in open water has it's own problems, rewriting the script over and over, The director quit or should I say cracked under pressure. That became the story instead of actually the film and the studio is to blame for all of that.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 2:05 pm to AUFANATL
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Jim Carrey in Cable Guy thought it RULED!
And ironically Cable Guy is another movie that as much better than all of the hate it got when first released.
Couldn't agree more.
I've always been more a fan of Carrey's work when he's not totally over the top.
Cable Guy, Man On The Moon, The Majestic, The Truman Show, etc.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:43 pm to Tactical1
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Robbins portrayal of Andy was so unassuming and timid I began to lose hope for him.
In what way was Dufresne ever timid? He was stoic from start in spite of being an innocent man with a very promising future stripped away (which is a more traumatic deal than a typical inmate experiences), took no shite from Boggs, openly defied the guards once, and was well respected by the other inmates.
What was he supposed to do, run around screaming and beating his chest? Win 3-on-1 fights against the Sisters? Tell Captain Hadley to go frick himself just for the hell of it?
Posted on 1/25/23 at 4:59 pm to Baylor
Waterworks was the most expensive movie of all time to produce at the time if I remember. They wanted it to be huge at the box office. There was a lot of advertising for it as it became closer to the opening date.
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