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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 1/27/23 at 3:52 pm to MMauler
Posted on 1/27/23 at 3:52 pm to MMauler
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that she is legally too drunk to have sex with when she exhibits the ability to run and navigate neutral ground curbs
Jesus christ. The video does not show what you think it shows.
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Posted on 1/27/23 at 3:52 pm to Tacktheritrix
I’m sure there will be more evidence presented in time. We just saw new video yesterday.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 3:53 pm to MMauler
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So, you tell me, how is a drunk 17-year-old kid supposed to know that she is legally too drunk to have sex with when she exhibits the ability to run and navigate neutral ground curbs like a sober gymnast?
1) ignorance of the law is not a defense
2) Did you read the arrest warrant or not you idiot?
They admitted she couldn’t talk, barely walk and that they knew it was wrong because he had to tell them stop so they can get out of there. They also stated they had to ask her 5+ times each to have sex with no response until they claim she gave a yes.
muh 17 year olds are just too stupid to understand consent even though they laughed at her after raping her
Posted on 1/27/23 at 3:54 pm to MMauler
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she exhibits the ability to run and navigate neutral ground curbs like a sober gymnast?
Okay, now comeon, this is a complete stretch. Now you're just being extra....A gymnast...
She walked at a fast pace, I wouldn't even call that a run. And yea she stepped over a curb. THEN her knees buckle shortly after getting across the street.....but gymnast..right.
Again, you don't become a paraplegic while intoxicated. You cannot sit here and honestly say you don't know anyone who can get hammered drunk and still walk 20 yards. Unless you're very young and don't have any friends that are experience drinkers.
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 1/27/23 at 3:56 pm to Proximo
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1) ignorance of the law is not a defense
EVERYONE SHOULD READ AND COMPREHEND THIS.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 3:58 pm to MMauler
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So, you tell me, how is a drunk 17-year-old kid supposed to know that she is legally too drunk to have sex with when she exhibits the ability to run and navigate neutral ground curbs like a sober gymnast?
Imagine this was your kid and you just saw the video? Because THAT is the way black jurors are going to view that video.
Are you just fricking with everyone, or do you really believe this point you're hung up on with the short snippet of video?
Posted on 1/27/23 at 3:58 pm to jdd48
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I thought some of the facts and corrections he was covering (and of course, the omissions) seemed a bit strange. I would not have voluntarily called that presser either.
It may be a calculated risk.
If he knows they have video, eyeball witnesses, and DNA testing, he has to do something to sow doubt. It would not have been my call, but that's fine.
Joe Long had the best point. The statute does not say "legally drunk." It says "stupor or abnormal condition of mind produced by an intoxicating agent." That is something more than just drunk. For this statute, she arguably only had to be able to "understand the nature of the act." The closing will be "if you can run across a parking lot and hold a conversation, you are capable of understanding what sex means." Remember that the crime only occurs if the "offender knew or should have known of the victim's incapacity." You can know she was drunk and not commit rape.
If there are videos of her dancing suggestively with any of them in the bar, that is not going to help the prosecution. One of the defendants may even testify that sex was discussed while in the bar before she got in the car.
I think that combined with the attack on the lab results is where the defense is headed.
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 1/27/23 at 3:59 pm to LNCHBOX
To beat a poor downtrodden horse, the defense claim of "she consented" should be (considering a fair jury) debunked by their own statements made the following day to police.
Their statements were given when the defendants THOUGHT they were simply clearing themselves of liability for her death. At the time, they didnt know they were being led into the rape issue and had no reason not to be completely honest.
IMO, which of course don't meat shite, their statements say more about what actually happened than the Reggies video. Not knowing she was unable to consent is blown up by their own words.
Their statements were given when the defendants THOUGHT they were simply clearing themselves of liability for her death. At the time, they didnt know they were being led into the rape issue and had no reason not to be completely honest.
IMO, which of course don't meat shite, their statements say more about what actually happened than the Reggies video. Not knowing she was unable to consent is blown up by their own words.
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 1/27/23 at 3:59 pm to Proximo
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ignorance of the law is not a defense
True. But ignorance of her incapacity ("stupor or abnormal condition") is a defense to third degree rape.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 4:00 pm to LNCHBOX
Talk about selective editing. Show the first part. That’s the part the black jury is going to be looking at. They are not going to be looking at the extremely grainy and obscure part where they disappear behind the tree.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 4:00 pm to jchamil
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or do you really believe this point you're hung up on with the short snippet of video?
Well the worst part is the video isn't even concurrent with what he's saying...The video clearly shows her knees give out after walking 20 yards and taking 1 step over a curb....not sure how you can use that video and say
"LoOk ShE cLeArLy CaN wAlK, MuSt NoT bE dRuNk"
Posted on 1/27/23 at 4:01 pm to MMauler
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That’s the part the black jury is going to be looking at.
There going to see the whole thing you fricking dunce.
Chicken, where are we at on that ignore feature? Posted on 1/27/23 at 4:01 pm to MMauler
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That’s the part the black jury is going to be looking at.
Did a black person scare you as a child? Seriously.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 4:03 pm to MMauler
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That’s the part the black jury is going to be looking at
It does not show what you think it showed.
It doesn't prove she was drunk, but it sure doesn't prove she wasnt.
reasonable people understand you can walk drunk.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 4:04 pm to LNCHBOX
I’m completely baffled that people can watch the part of the video with her running after them for a ride…and yet ignore the part where her legs buckle and several dudes are seen catching her and walking off with her stumbling along. She isn’t walking on her own at the end of the video.
You literally can’t just use half the video to support the theory that she wanted it…although that’s clearly Reggie’s, WAFB and Haley’s tactic.
The fact that this is effective and people can’t use their own two eyes and independent judgement is concerning.
You literally can’t just use half the video to support the theory that she wanted it…although that’s clearly Reggie’s, WAFB and Haley’s tactic.
The fact that this is effective and people can’t use their own two eyes and independent judgement is concerning.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 4:04 pm to MMauler
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Talk about selective editing
literally what you're doing by only using the first part of the clip.....
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 1/27/23 at 4:04 pm to JudgeHolden
I may have to get drunk this weekend and show some of you that it is quite possible to maneuver like that when have a bac that high. I actually know for a fact. She may have been able to even talk well. Alcohol effects different people in different ways.
Fact is that is not the law. These guys are guilty of laws that are very specific about this.
This is cut and dry.
I do think it will be interesting if the certain members of a future jury are put in this case.
I suspect this his going to be a huge deal. There is going to be turmoil for sure either way.
Fact is that is not the law. These guys are guilty of laws that are very specific about this.
This is cut and dry.
I do think it will be interesting if the certain members of a future jury are put in this case.
I suspect this his going to be a huge deal. There is going to be turmoil for sure either way.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 4:06 pm to TutHillTiger
Sounds like a typical Thursday night back then.
I had a situation where a fight broke out. We yell out where it was, the doors close leving one bouncer outside and then it was time to rock n roll.
We go in, try to break it up, all while this dude was flailing around. Long story short, one of his buddies is pissed that the bouncers are taking him out of the bar in forceful way ( you had to) this guy goes to break a beer bottle over another bouncers head, I catch him out of the corner of my eye and I tackle him hard into the bar. Sports bar was not just a bar, it was a bulkhead....Darren Adams was a civil engineering major and he decides that the top of the bar would be reinforced concrete.
Long and short we had to call the police and have these guys removed far away from the premises....stupid fricks tried to rush the door from the outside.
I had a situation where a fight broke out. We yell out where it was, the doors close leving one bouncer outside and then it was time to rock n roll.
We go in, try to break it up, all while this dude was flailing around. Long story short, one of his buddies is pissed that the bouncers are taking him out of the bar in forceful way ( you had to) this guy goes to break a beer bottle over another bouncers head, I catch him out of the corner of my eye and I tackle him hard into the bar. Sports bar was not just a bar, it was a bulkhead....Darren Adams was a civil engineering major and he decides that the top of the bar would be reinforced concrete.
Long and short we had to call the police and have these guys removed far away from the premises....stupid fricks tried to rush the door from the outside.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 4:06 pm to JAMAC2001
In fact, the only person who might have an ignorance claim is the 17 yr old based solely on the fact he wisely never gave a statement (that I am aware of)
Then, of course, he has the potentially exculpatory info about her being into him in the club.
Washington, the 2nd rapist, is on record stating he knew she was "drunk...and I MEAN DRUNK" before he commenced to anally raping her.
If it's me on the jury, they all go down. I dont even want the white kid to be state's witness. He was a significant player in what went down for his "homies"
Then, of course, he has the potentially exculpatory info about her being into him in the club.
Washington, the 2nd rapist, is on record stating he knew she was "drunk...and I MEAN DRUNK" before he commenced to anally raping her.
If it's me on the jury, they all go down. I dont even want the white kid to be state's witness. He was a significant player in what went down for his "homies"
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 1/27/23 at 4:07 pm to JAMAC2001
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debunked by their own statements made the following day to police.
You can’t even imagine how the defense is going to address this? It’s really not hard.
First, I don’t recall reading any statement given by the 17-year-old. And that’s who I’m primarily talking about. Do you have that?
Second, you can tell from the affidavit that the white kid who was driving was trying to absolve himself from any responsibility. Was he telling the police what they wanted to hear? It will be interesting to see if there is a video of his statement.
If the DA gives him any sort of plea deal, what will be the value of this white kids testimony to a black jury?
If the DA doesn’t give him a plea deal, you can almost certainly be assured that he’ll claim that he was pressured to say what he said by the police. Given that he’s only 18, a black jury will probably want to buy it especially since he wasn’t represented by counsel when he gave the statement.
I can give you about five or six other defenses, but I’ll leave that to your imagination.
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