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re: trump lawsuit vs clinton is frivolous.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:53 am to TigerDoc
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:53 am to TigerDoc
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Steele sold his services to whoever would pay and that happened to be Trump's primary opponents
Thank you for proving the right wing point. You're doing a great job of showing how inept Democrats were, and how much of true believers you followers were.
Even those you trust to give you opinions knew it was a lie.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 11:54 am
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:53 am to BBONDS25
quote:I've not litigated much regarding this sort of sanctions, but would "pattern of behavior" not be a factor that the Judge can consider ... especially if Clinton's attorneys presented those other dismissals and/or sanctions into evidence?
Dude, this judge referenced cases not in front of him and admitted his decision was influenced by them.
His partisan decision isn’t a conspiracy or even in question. He declared it for the world to read.
I am not certain that he can just "take judicial notice" of every oddball news article about dismissal of some Trump lawsuit, but Clinton's lawyers seem competent, and I would be surprised if they did not get the evidence of other cases in front of the Judge in proper form.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:55 am to BBONDS25
quote:I do not recall the context of the "$50k rent" assertion by Hunter.
a statement against one’s own interest is usually more reliable than other puffery.
How was it a statement against his interest ... at the time that it was made? Isn't that the standard, as opposed to being something that (in hindsight) may not have been in his best interest?
After all, the basis for the exception is that a person is not likely to say something that he knows to be against his own interest, making it statistically more-likely that the statement is true. That rationale would not seem to apply to a statement that was NOT known to be against the interest of the speaker at the time of the utterance.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:55 am to AggieHank86
quote:
I've not litigated much regarding this sort of sanctions,
Title attorneys rarely do.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:55 am to TigerDoc
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sanctioning Trump for advancing a conspiracy theory that wasn't back up with facts.
WOw.....too bad we can't hold the Media, the Democrats, Big Pharma etc to those sort of standards....
The hammer of punitive justice only seems to swing one way.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:55 am to BBONDS25
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Dude, this judge referenced cases not in front of him and admitted his decision was influenced by them.
Can judges not take judicial notice of other litigation when determining whether something fits into a pattern of behavior?
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:58 am to AggieHank86
quote:
I've not litigated much regarding this sort of sanctions, but would "pattern of behavior" not be a factor that the Judge can consider ... especially if Clinton's attorneys presented those other dismissals and/or sanctions into evidence?
The OP didn’t include a link so I haven’t read the entire ruling. The only pieces I’ve seen are the judge referencing cases not in his court, but not referencing that they were arguments made by the Clinton legal team.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:59 am to CelticDog
It gets better-
Judge Donald Middlebrooks who was appointed by Bill Clinton is presiding over this matter.
Judge Donald Middlebrooks who was appointed by Bill Clinton is presiding over this matter.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:01 pm to boosiebadazz
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Can judges not take judicial notice of other litigation when determining whether something fits into a pattern of behavior?
Judges have wide discretion. Putting the fact he thought trump formed a pattern in other cases simply because they had been dismissed is this judge putting his partisan ruling in the open.
To award sanctions over a case where trump accused Clinton and Steele of defamation is insane and clearly partisan. Outside of doc and Decatur, not a single person still believes the Steele dossier was anything but a complete fabrication.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:02 pm to oogabooga68
quote:
WOw.....too bad we can't hold the Media, the Democrats, Big Pharma etc to those sort of standards...
TigerDoc was one of the biggest Russian Collusion dweebs on TD.
Funny how "conspiracy theories" aren't really conspiracy theories when left wingers make it up.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:02 pm to BBONDS25
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Outside of doc and Decatur, not a single person still believes the Steele dossier was anything but a complete fabrication.
Celticdog still thinks it is real.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:02 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:I don't know about you, but "Judge, please take judicial notice" is not something I use except in an emergency, when surprised.
Can judges not take judicial notice of other litigation when determining whether something fits into a pattern of behavior?
If I wanted a judge to consider the results in 20 other lawsuits, I would attach certified copies of the filings/orders from those other lawsuits. Clinton's lawyers seem pretty sharp, and it would surprise me if they were not equally-thorough.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:04 pm to cyarrr
quote:No personal offense intended, but everyone knows this.
Judge Donald Middlebrooks who was appointed by Bill Clinton is presiding over this matter.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:06 pm to cyarrr
quote:
It gets better-
Judge Donald Middlebrooks who was appointed by Bill Clinton is presiding over this matter.
Link us to your posts sharing the same concern when Aileen Cannon heard the suit filed by Trump over the raid.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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TigerDoc was one of the biggest Russian Collusion dweebs on TD.
And after it became legally non-viable, I stopped posting about it.
The "Russia Hoax" narrative was itself a political strategy advanced by Trump and allies in the media and the courts, and the courts get to have their say in shaping narratives just like the Attorney General got to have his say on shaping the Mueller narrative.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:09 pm to boosiebadazz
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Link us to your posts sharing the same concern when Aileen Cannon heard the suit filed by Trump over the raid.
And the partisan part of her ruling was slapped down. Hopefully that happens here. Unfortunately sanctions are rarely turned over as judges discretion is given great deference.
Oh, how did that raid work out, by the way? Just another example of a two tiered justice system. I assume that disgusts you.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:10 pm to TigerDoc
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courts get to have their say in shaping narratives just like the Attorney General got to have his say on shaping the Mueller narrative.
Your view of the justice system is perverse. Highly accurate, though. I’m just surprised to see you admit it.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:15 pm to BBONDS25
Ultimately courts are accountable too, of course. In a well-working system, executives and legislatures push back on overweening courts. I don't think any of this is radical - it's Montesquieu and Madison sort of stuff.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:18 pm to CelticDog
He won’t pay fine….. or lawyers
He doesn’t pay he just collects
He doesn’t pay he just collects
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:21 pm to Tmcgin
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He won’t pay fine….. or lawyers He doesn’t pay he just collects
Just yesterday you said trump’s tax returns show he only knows how to pay and not collect. Despite you not understanding the returns, it seems obvious you are inflicted with TDS and are willing to take opposite opinions from day to day if it, in your feeble mind, makes trump look bad.
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