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You can say the reformers were returning the church to what the apostles and early church believed, but the Protestant beliefs are overwhelmingly absent in the church fathers writings.

Such as?

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Again, when Ignatius used the word Catholic, he wasn't referring to the 20,000 Trinitarian denominations that wouldn't exist for another couple thousand years.

This makes no sense. He probably wouldn’t see us as any different than him based on the core beliefs that we cling to.

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Well the Protestant churches and their beliefs pretty much didn't exist when the Apostles Creed was created, so I'm not sure what you mean by adding to it.

There’s no way you missed my point here.
Catholicism and it’s monstrous catechism includes a billion additions to the simple faith of the apostles. Protestants don’t. Preaching and poverty was the rallying cry of the Waldensians and many other medieval reform movements. Why? Because of the terrible abuses of the church that bound the consciences of men.

Protestants preach truths that are consistent with apostolic Christianity where Rome adds and binds, adds and binds.

To the point that you can purchase an indulgence to lessen time of a loved one in purgatory. That’s in the Apostles’ Creed? That concept is in Christ's teachings?

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Posted by Champagne

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Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:43 pm to bayoubengals88

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Protestants preach truths that are consistent with apostolic Christianity where Rome adds and binds, adds and binds.

Absolutely wrong. You are dead wrong.

The Early Church was The Catholic Church

It's all right here in this book

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And at Catholic Answers .com

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Posted by Stitches

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Posted on 1/2/23 at 11:10 pm to bayoubengals88

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Such as?

Beliefs pertaining to apostolic succession, baptismal regeneration, infallibility of ecumenical councils and the church itself (rather than sola scriptura), denominationalism, Deuterocanonical being scripture, primacy of Rome, real presence in Eucharist...just to name a few.

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This makes no sense. He probably wouldn’t see us as any different than him based on the core beliefs that we cling to

I disagree since he supported Romes' view on a lot of the things I mentioned above...but I know what you're saying and I also do agree at the same time. Thats where the fullness of the faith discussion comes into play.

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Catholicism and it’s monstrous catechism includes a billion additions to the simple faith of the apostles. Protestants preach truths that are consistent with apostolic Christianity where Rome adds and binds, adds and binds.

It doesn't add anything. The CCC simply explains in a ton of detail what the Church teaches and why. Again, how can you truly believe this when the apostles of the apostles preach things mentioned in my first point above that align with the RCC teachings?

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To the point that you can purchase an indulgence to lessen time of a loved one in purgatory.

The RCC has never supported the "buying" of indulgences. That is a myth.

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Posted by Foch

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Posted on 1/3/23 at 1:28 pm to bayoubengals88

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the simple faith of the apostles

RC revert here, I was baptized and not well formed. This led to some wandering until I fell into line with Reformed thinking for a number of years. The stumbling block that led "back across the Tiber" was sola scriptura. You earlier stated that you left Catholicism for a confessional form of Protestantism (i may have missed the specific branch). How do you square sola scriptura when the Biblical evidence for it is lacking, the historical practice was not possible (in the early Church) or not visible once It was bound (prior to Luther's revolt)?

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