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re: What is CISA And Why Should We Care?
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
THERE IS THE GOALPOST MOVE
Again, accusing me of the very thing you yourself are doing.
quote:
Take The L
Every time this thread is bumped I win! So please, keep responding.
This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 5:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
Anyone want to see more of SloMo’s autistic clown act?
MASH HERE!
MASH HERE!
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:59 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:Thought you were referring to a Certified Information Systems Auditor. I am one so I hope people care haha
What is CISA
Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:01 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Again, accusing me of the very thing you yourself are doing.
Not at all. Stop trying to move the goalpost
This was your post/question on page 1:
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You direct me to the specific language in the bill — ostensibly passed to protect against cybersecurity terror threats — which enables CISA to declare a state of de facto martial law over the entire economy because of a supposed naturally occurring biological contagion?
You framed this. I didn't.
I quoted from the actual law that showed that
1. CISA never was co-opted or operated outside of its statutory mandate
2. CISA never "declared a state of de facto martial law over the entire economy"
3. CISA is mandated by statute to offer guidance for threats to critical infrastructure, which is all it did.
Why won't you answer simple questions?
Where did I say that they had that authority? They don't.
Tell me where they exercised that authority.
What specific powers are you referencing?
Do you think that CISA ordered other agencies (federal or state) to do the things referenced in your OP?
You do understand that CISA is mandated to issue guidance on infrastructure issues, right?
Posted on 1/1/23 at 9:11 am to Toomer Deplorable
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1st: This bill was passed under the aegis of CISA protecting our nation’s critical infrastructure from hacking and other cybersecurity terror threats. There are no provisions whatsoever in the bill linked above for CISA to recommend locking down major sectors of the economy in the event of a pandemic. T
[link=(chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-115publ278/pdf/PLAW-115publ278.pdf)]Pages 3-5 of the version of the bill you linked:[/link]
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RESPONSIBILITIES.—The Director shall— ‘‘(1) lead cybersecurity and critical infrastructure security programs, operations, and associated policy for the Agency, including national cybersecurity asset response activities; ‘‘(2) coordinate with Federal entities, including Sector-Specific Agencies, and non-Federal entities, including international entities, to carry out the cybersecurity and critical infrastructure activities of the Agency, as appropriate; ralbany on LAP520R082 with PUB LAWS PDF ‘‘(3) carry out the responsibilities of the Secretary to secure Federal information and information systems consistent with law, including subchapter II of chapter 35 of title 44, United States Code, and the Cybersecurity Act of 2015 (contained in division N of the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2016 (Public Law 114–113)); ‘‘(4) coordinate a national effort to secure and protect against critical infrastructure risks, consistent with subsection (e)(1)(E); ‘‘(5) upon request, provide analyses, expertise, and other technical assistance to critical infrastructure owners and operators and, where appropriate, provide those analyses, expertise, and other technical assistance in coordination with Sector-Specific Agencies and other Federal departments and agencies; ‘‘(6) develop and utilize mechanisms for active and frequent collaboration between the Agency and Sector-Specific Agencies to ensure appropriate coordination, situational awareness, and communications with Sector-Specific Agencies; ‘‘(7) maintain and utilize mechanisms for the regular and ongoing consultation and collaboration among the Divisions of the Agency to further operational coordination, integrated situational awareness, and improved integration across the Agency in accordance with this Act; ‘‘(8) develop, coordinate, and implement— ‘‘(A) comprehensive strategic plans for the activities of the Agency; and ‘‘(B) risk assessments by and for the Agency; ‘‘(9) carry out emergency communications responsibilities, in accordance with title XVIII;
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CYBERSECURITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE SECURITY AUTHORITIES OF THE SECRETARY.— ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The responsibilities of the Secretary relating to cybersecurity and infrastructure security shall include the following: ‘‘(A) To access, receive, and analyze law enforcement information, intelligence information, and other information from Federal Government agencies, State, local, tribal, and territorial government agencies, including law enforcement agencies, and private sector entities, and to integrate that information, in support of the mission responsibilities of the Department, in order to— ‘‘(i) identify and assess the nature and scope of terrorist threats to the homeland; ‘‘(ii) detect and identify threats of terrorism against the United States; and ‘‘(iii) understand those threats in light of actual and potential vulnerabilities of the homeland.
‘‘(B) To carry out comprehensive assessments of the vulnerabilities of the key resources and critical infrastructure of the United States, including the performance of risk assessments to determine the risks posed by particular types of terrorist attacks within the United States, including an assessment of the probability of success of those attacks and the feasibility and potential efficacy of various countermeasures to those attacks. At the discretion of the Secretary, such assessments may be carried out in coordination with Sector-Specific Agencies.
‘‘(C) To integrate relevant information, analysis, and vulnerability assessments, regardless of whether the information, analysis, or assessments are provided or produced by the Department, in order to make recommendations, including prioritization, for protective and support measures by the Department, other Federal Government agencies, State, local, tribal, and territorial government agencies and authorities, the private sector, and other entities regarding terrorist and other threats to homeland security.
‘‘(E) To develop, in coordination with the Sector-Specific Agencies with available expertise, a comprehensive national plan for securing the key resources and critical infrastructure of the United States, including power production, generation, and distribution systems, information technology and telecommunications systems (including satellites), electronic financial and property record storage and transmission systems, emergency communications systems, and the physical and technological assets that support those systems. ‘‘
(F) To recommend measures necessary to protect the key resources and critical infrastructure of the United States in coordination with other Federal Government agencies, including Sector-Specific Agencies, and in cooperation with State, local, tribal, and territorial government agencies and authorities, the private sector, and other entities.
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There are no provisions whatsoever in the bill linked above for CISA to recommend l
Take
The
L
I even bolded and underlined because you don't read good
Posted on 1/1/23 at 3:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This bill was passed under the aegis of CISA protecting our nation’s critical infrastructure from hacking and other cybersecurity terror threats. There are no provisions whatsoever in the bill linked above for CISA to recommend locking down major sectors of the economy in the event of a pandemic.
quote:
CYBERSECURITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE SECURITY AUTHORITIES OF THE SECRETARY.— ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The responsibilities of the Secretary relating to cybersecurity and infrastructure security shall include the following: ‘‘(A) To access, receive, and analyze law enforcement information, intelligence information, and other information from Federal Government agencies, State, local, tribal, and territorial government agencies, including law enforcement agencies, and private sector entities, and to integrate that information, in support of the mission responsibilities of the Department, in order to— ‘‘(i) identify and assess the nature and scope of terrorist threats to the homeland; ‘‘(ii) detect and identify threats of terrorism against the United States; and ‘‘(iii) understand those threats in light of actual and potential vulnerabilities of the homeland.
‘‘(B) To carry out comprehensive assessments of the vulnerabilities of the key resources and critical infrastructure of the United States, including the performance of risk assessments to determine the risks posed by particular types of terrorist attacks within the United States, including an assessment of the probability of success of those attacks and the feasibility and potential efficacy of various countermeasures to those attacks. At the discretion of the Secretary, such assessments may be carried out in coordination with Sector-Specific Agencies.
‘‘(C) To integrate relevant information, analysis, and vulnerability assessments, regardless of whether the information, analysis, or assessments are provided or produced by the Department, in order to make recommendations, including prioritization, for protective and support measures by the Department, other Federal Government agencies, State, local, tribal, and territorial government agencies and authorities, the private sector, and other entities regarding terrorist and other threats to homeland security.
‘‘(E) To develop, in coordination with the Sector-Specific Agencies with available expertise, a comprehensive national plan for securing the key resources and critical infrastructure of the United States, including power production, generation, and distribution systems, information technology and telecommunications systems (including satellites), electronic financial and property record storage and transmission systems, emergency communications systems, and the physical and technological assets that support those systems. ‘‘
(F) To recommend measures necessary to protect the key resources and critical infrastructure of the United States in coordination with other Federal Government agencies, including Sector-Specific Agencies, and in cooperation with State, local, tribal, and territorial government agencies and authorities, the private sector, and other entities.
quote:
1. CISA never was co-opted or operated outside of its statutory mandate
2. CISA never "declared a state of de facto martial law over the entire economy"
3. CISA is mandated by statute to offer guidance for threats to critical infrastructure, which is all it did.
quote:
Why won't you answer simple questions?
Where did I say that they had that authority? They don't.
Tell me where they exercised that authority.
What specific powers are you referencing?
Do you think that CISA ordered other agencies (federal or state) to do the things referenced in your OP?
You do understand that CISA is mandated to issue guidance on infrastructure issues, right?
Bump
Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:44 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Trump is what he is: a firm believer in the power of the Leviathan State.
I mean, he is a populist. That mindset is a big government mindset.
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That Trump’s own policies often contradicted his promised “MAGA” agenda
A “benevolent” leader can be MAGA and still be in favor of big government. Although they are rarely aligned (and if so, not for long), they aren’t mutually exclusive.
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Trump’s primary appeal was his argument that the reigning bipartisan elite in the Potomac Beltway repeatedly align against the best interests of the vast majority of American citizens. On that point, Trump was 100% on the mark.
It is why he was elected imho.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
The SloMo’s never-ending carnival fun ride continues HERE!
Yes Ladies & Gentlemen! The thrilling ride of unending idiocy goes on forever!
Yes Ladies & Gentlemen! The thrilling ride of unending idiocy goes on forever!
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:23 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
This bill was passed under the aegis of CISA protecting our nation’s critical infrastructure from hacking and other cybersecurity terror threats. There are no provisions whatsoever in the bill linked above for CISA to recommend locking down major sectors of the economy in the event of a pandemic.
quote:
CYBERSECURITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE SECURITY AUTHORITIES OF THE SECRETARY.— ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The responsibilities of the Secretary relating to cybersecurity and infrastructure security shall include the following: ‘‘(A) To access, receive, and analyze law enforcement information, intelligence information, and other information from Federal Government agencies, State, local, tribal, and territorial government agencies, including law enforcement agencies, and private sector entities, and to integrate that information, in support of the mission responsibilities of the Department, in order to— ‘‘(i) identify and assess the nature and scope of terrorist threats to the homeland; ‘‘(ii) detect and identify threats of terrorism against the United States; and ‘‘(iii) understand those threats in light of actual and potential vulnerabilities of the homeland.
‘‘(B) To carry out comprehensive assessments of the vulnerabilities of the key resources and critical infrastructure of the United States, including the performance of risk assessments to determine the risks posed by particular types of terrorist attacks within the United States, including an assessment of the probability of success of those attacks and the feasibility and potential efficacy of various countermeasures to those attacks. At the discretion of the Secretary, such assessments may be carried out in coordination with Sector-Specific Agencies.
‘‘(C) To integrate relevant information, analysis, and vulnerability assessments, regardless of whether the information, analysis, or assessments are provided or produced by the Department, in order to make recommendations, including prioritization, for protective and support measures by the Department, other Federal Government agencies, State, local, tribal, and territorial government agencies and authorities, the private sector, and other entities regarding terrorist and other threats to homeland security.
‘‘(E) To develop, in coordination with the Sector-Specific Agencies with available expertise, a comprehensive national plan for securing the key resources and critical infrastructure of the United States, including power production, generation, and distribution systems, information technology and telecommunications systems (including satellites), electronic financial and property record storage and transmission systems, emergency communications systems, and the physical and technological assets that support those systems. ‘‘
(F) To recommend measures necessary to protect the key resources and critical infrastructure of the United States in coordination with other Federal Government agencies, including Sector-Specific Agencies, and in cooperation with State, local, tribal, and territorial government agencies and authorities, the private sector, and other entities.
quote:
1. CISA never was co-opted or operated outside of its statutory mandate
2. CISA never "declared a state of de facto martial law over the entire economy"
3. CISA is mandated by statute to offer guidance for threats to critical infrastructure, which is all it did.
quote:
Why won't you answer simple questions?
Where did I say that they had that authority? They don't.
Tell me where they exercised that authority.
What specific powers are you referencing?
Do you think that CISA ordered other agencies (federal or state) to do the things referenced in your OP?
You do understand that CISA is mandated to issue guidance on infrastructure issues, right?
Bump
Posted on 1/2/23 at 9:33 am to jimmy the leg
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It is why he was elected imho.
We aren’t in disagreement here. I think a vast majority of Trump’s supporters saw Trump simply as brute tool, a battering ram to knock a hole in the castle walls of the reigning GOP establishment.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:12 am to Toomer Deplorable
Bump
Portions of the law MANDATING CISA issue recommendations/guidance:
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There are no provisions whatsoever in the bill linked above for CISA to recommend locking down major sectors of the economy in the event of a pandemic.
Portions of the law MANDATING CISA issue recommendations/guidance:
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To carry out comprehensive assessments of the vulnerabilities of the key resources and critical infrastructure of the United States,
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To integrate relevant information, analysis, and vulnerability assessments, regardless of whether the information, analysis, or assessments are provided or produced by the Department, in order to make recommendations, including prioritization, for protective and support measures by the Department, other Federal Government agencies, State, local, tribal, and territorial government agencies and authorities, the private sector, and other entities regarding terrorist and other threats to homeland security.
quote:
To develop, in coordination with the Sector-Specific Agencies with available expertise, a comprehensive national plan for securing the key resources and critical infrastructure of the United States
quote:
To recommend measures necessary to protect the key resources and critical infrastructure of the United States in coordination with other Federal Government agencies, including Sector-Specific Agencies, and in cooperation with State, local, tribal, and territorial government agencies and authorities, the private sector, and other entities.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:37 am to Toomer Deplorable
Avoiding answering simple questions again?
Or you can explain how this summary is incorrect:
quote:
Where did I say that they had the authority to shut down the economy?
Tell me where they exercised that authority.
What specific powers are you referencing?
Do you think that CISA ordered other agencies (federal or state) to do the things referenced in your OP?
You do understand that CISA is mandated to issue guidance on infrastructure issues, right?
Or you can explain how this summary is incorrect:
quote:
1. CISA never was co-opted or operated outside of its statutory mandate
2. CISA never "declared a state of de facto martial law over the entire economy"
3. CISA is mandated by statute to offer guidance for threats to critical infrastructure, which is all it did.
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 10:38 am
Posted on 1/2/23 at 12:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Avoiding answering simple questions again?
Again, to engage in “debate” with you is an exercise in futility because you not only are a disingenuous troll, you are grade-A idiot.
The very fact you keep bumping this thread only underscores your utter obliviousness to your own idiocy.
So please! Bump this thread again!
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 1/3/23 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
Ask SFP how smart he is! He will tell you!
SFP is a self-professed creative genius who graciously shares his inborn intelligence with us lessor mortals. He even created a chart to prove it!
SFP is a self-professed creative genius who graciously shares his inborn intelligence with us lessor mortals. He even created a chart to prove it!
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As for Covid, I literally made this picture myself in April or May of 2020:
What original thoughts did you have?
This post was edited on 1/3/23 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 3/25/23 at 11:04 am to Toomer Deplorable
JUST SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR, Toomers is relying on thinking he dunked on me with this reply (which avoided a simple quesiton):
The problem with his argument is that CISA never did "declare a state of de facto martial law over the entire economy". This is a straw man.
He's asking for "specific language in the bill" authorizing the government to act in a way that it did not.
What CISA did was mandate guidance, which it did.
Toomers then tried to move the goalposts and claim that when he said declaring "a state of de facto martial law over the entire economy" is the same thing as regulatory guidance issues.
I summarized it on page 3:
and page 4:
quote:
You direct me to the specific language in the bill — ostensibly passed to protect against cybersecurity terror threats — which enables CISA to declare a state of de facto martial law over the entire economy because of a supposed naturally occurring biological contagion?
The problem with his argument is that CISA never did "declare a state of de facto martial law over the entire economy". This is a straw man.
He's asking for "specific language in the bill" authorizing the government to act in a way that it did not.
What CISA did was mandate guidance, which it did.
Toomers then tried to move the goalposts and claim that when he said declaring "a state of de facto martial law over the entire economy" is the same thing as regulatory guidance issues.
I summarized it on page 3:
quote:
By the way, the law mandates they create these exact reports-guidance, so you clearly didn't read the actual law.
They don't have the authority you were talking about, but they never used any authority.
You even asked where in the law they had this authority, like a fricking dumbass.
I can cite you in the law where they are mandated to create guidance. I already did it in this thread, but at that point you didn't realize how fricking dumb your "argument" was and kept going, and I even predicted you would move the goalposts, which you did.
and page 4:
quote:
1. CISA never was co-opted or operated outside of its statutory mandate
2. CISA never "declared a state of de facto martial law over the entire economy"
3. CISA is mandated by statute to offer guidance for threats to critical infrastructure, which is all it did.
This post was edited on 3/25/23 at 11:05 am
Posted on 3/25/23 at 11:04 am to Toomer Deplorable
Now I can ask the questions you keep avoiding because if you answer them, you'll look historically bad.
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What authority do you think CISA used?
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Where did I say that they had that authority? They don't.
Tell me where the federal government exercised that authority.
quote:.
What specific powers are you referencing CISA having?
quote:
Do you think that CISA ordered other agencies (federal or state) to do the things referenced in your OP?
You do understand that CISA is mandated to issue guidance on infrastructure issues, right?
Posted on 3/25/23 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Are you “owning” me again? Good. Every response by you bumps your autistic freak-show to the top of the board for all to see!
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