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Posted on 12/19/22 at 9:00 am to siliconvalleytiger
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Surely they have that crystal for 2003 to show for it
The AP invented a trophy to give to them.
It is one of the lamest trophies in history. It is "Bama level" trying too hard.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 9:14 am to Ace Midnight
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The AP invented a trophy to give to them.
They didn’t INVENT a trophy for them. That trophy had been presented to the AP champion since 1936. You do realize that the crystal football was just the Coaches’ Poll’s trophy for the champion of their poll, right? It had been given out since 1986 prior to the BCS. It doesn’t have some magical legitimacy that the older AP trophy doesn’t have.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 9:29 am to MikeTheTiger71
At the beginning of the 2003 season, did Carroll embrace or reject the BCS as the law of the land? Or is he an opportunistic spoiled brat?
Posted on 12/19/22 at 9:55 am to juice4lsu
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Am I the only one that is triggered by this statement every time it is shown?
What realy annoys me about that whole thing is that people seemingly just ignore the fact that the AP was simply a part of the BCS whole that everyone agreed to beforehand. It'd be no different whatsoever than if the colley matrix or jeff sagarin computer poll or harris poll had voted someone else #1. It's completely and totally irrelevant. All teams agreed to abide by teh BCS system, which is to say that the polls/computers wuld do their thing and spit out a ranking, and the #1 vs #2 team would play in the BCS national title game, wiht the winner being the namtional champion. That was it, that was the system. That system produced a NCG in which LSu won, so there is no debate, no discussion, no controversy. They are the chamipon. Period.
The AP poll going against the grain and letting themselves know how important they are doesn't facotr into the euation at all. And it was so ridiculous that the very next year the powers that be said "hey AP, thanks for everythign but we're replacing you with the harris poll. See ya". From 204-2013 prior to the playoffs, the AP poll has LITERALLY meant as much in determing a national champion as the AJC, or the times picayune, or the WG_Dawg personal opinion poll.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 10:12 am to lsufanva
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I get that we are supposed to hate them for claiming that one but in reality though we were better that year imo, the next year for them kind of showed that the 2003 team was pretty damn good. It isn't improbable that they would've beaten us. Right situation, badly.
are you an aggiehank86 alter?
your comment seems like something aggiehank86 would post.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 10:12 am to WG_Dawg
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All teams agreed to abide by teh BCS system, which is to say that the polls/computers wuld do their thing and spit out a ranking, and the #1 vs #2 team would play in the BCS national title game, wiht the winner being the namtional champion. That was it, that was the system. That system produced a NCG in which LSu won, so there is no debate, no discussion, no controversy. They are the chamipon. Period.
That’s what I’ve always felt.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 10:35 am to juice4lsu
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LSU v USC - 2003 National Championship
The Greatest Game Never Played.
Too bad we didn’t see each other on the field in the Dome for the Natty. Would’ve been glorious beating them down in Our state.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:07 am to MikeTheTiger71
was the goal that year to be in the rose bowl or the BCS title game?
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:11 am to tigerpawl
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At the beginning of the 2003 season, did Carroll embrace or reject the BCS as the law of the land? Or is he an opportunistic spoiled brat?
It was never “the law of the land”. It was not an officially sponsored NCAA championship. It relied upon public opinion and perception for its legitimacy, just as the polls always had. Major news outlets of the time reporting on the issue wrote of LSU and USC as co-champions. Most any list you look at today will show LSU and USC as co-champions. This isn’t a Pete Carroll issue. If it were just him, there would be no discussion now. Just as no one takes UCF’s title claim in 2017 seriously, if no one took USC’s title claim seriously no one would still be up in arms about it. It only bothers people because it is generally accepted as legitimate. That doesn’t mean you have to accept it as legitimate, but you cannot magically wave away the legitimacy others do assign to it.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:22 am to monsterballads
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was the goal that year to be in the rose bowl or the BCS title game?
LSU very nearly was the team left out of the BCS title game that year. If the arbitrary BCS formula had only been slightly different, it would have been USC and Oklahoma playing and not LSU. Had Oklahoma won the title, but LSU ended up #1 in the AP poll, my guess is that most LSU fans would actively embrace that national championship and would argue unceasingly that they were really the better team. Like it or not, the majority of the public still ascribed legitimacy to the AP poll at the time and the majority of sources now ascribe legitimacy to USC’s claim as co-champs.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:27 am to MikeTheTiger71
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LSU very nearly was the team left out of the BCS title game that year. If the arbitrary BCS formula had only been slightly different, it would have been USC and Oklahoma playing and not LSU. Had Oklahoma won the title, but LSU ended up #1 in the AP poll, my guess is that most LSU fans would actively embrace that national championship and would argue unceasingly that they were really the better team. Like it or not, the majority of the public still ascribed legitimacy to the AP poll at the time and the majority of sources now ascribe legitimacy to USC’s claim as co-champs.
still say we got fricked in 1908
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:42 am to juice4lsu
Well we have the Crystal Football for being #2 and beating #1.
They have an outdated AP Trophy for being #3 and beating #6.
They have an outdated AP Trophy for being #3 and beating #6.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 11:51 am to 777Tiger
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still say we got fricked in 1908
I just can't believe that people still don't understand how college football championships work. Did any notable organization award a national championship trophy to LSU immediately following the 1908 season?
No.
Therefore, LSU did not win a championship that year.
Did any notable organization award a national championship trophy to USC immediately following the 2003 season?
Yes.
Therefore, USC won a championship that year.
IT'S THAT frickING SIMPLE.
If a reputable organization gives you a championship trophy, you have two choices:
You can display it in your trophy case and indicate a championship in your media guide, OR
You can throw it in the trash and ignore it.
The AP trophy has been recognized as a bonafide title since 1936, you can't blame USC for acknowledging it as a national championship award.
The way to count national championships is NOT to look over historical schedules, it IS to go to the trophy cabinet and count years for which reputable organizations have warded you a trophy for a national championship. It's not USC's fault the AP decided to ignore the Coaches poll. Because that's all the BCS was, an agreed upon way to award the Coaches trophy.
In short:
Trophy = championship
No trophy = no championship
Posted on 12/19/22 at 12:26 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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It's not USC's fault the AP decided to ignore the Coaches poll. Because that's all the BCS was, an agreed upon way to award the Coaches trophy.
Yes, this is what most people in the thread keep missing. They are assigning a larger scope and authority to the BCS than it truly had. As you said, it was nothing more than pre-determined way to decide the winner of the Coaches’ Poll trophy. Teams didn’t agree to ignore the AP poll and the AP poll didn’t agree that the BCS winner would win their trophy. The public accepted that trophy for USC as legitimate. We can’t wish that away.
This post was edited on 12/19/22 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 12/19/22 at 12:28 pm to rob62
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They have an outdated AP Trophy for being #3 and beating #6.
No, they have a legitimate AP Trophy for being #1 and winning their bowl.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 12:38 pm to MikeTheTiger71
The funny thing is watching LSU fans try to deny USC a claim for 2003, even though they have a trophy for it - and at the same time want to claim some kind of championship for 1908 in spite of the fact that LSU has no trophy for it. 
Posted on 12/19/22 at 12:46 pm to juice4lsu
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We had a system and process in place to determine a champion. They lost. It's that simple.
At the time they also had a poll that determined its own national championship. I never understood why people hated USC for 2003. The AP poll made them their champions are they not supposed to accept it?
The bigger issue is Oklahoma playing in the national championship game after getting blown out by Kansas State in the Big 12 championship.
Posted on 12/19/22 at 12:46 pm to juice4lsu
In their defense their is no way in Hell Okie should have been in Title game against us after losing 35-7 to K St in the Big 12 Championship!
Posted on 12/19/22 at 12:50 pm to ArcticTiger
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In their defense their is no way in Hell Okie should have been in Title game against us after losing 35-7 to K St in the Big 12 Championship!
This is the truth.
The BCS got it wrong when they put OK in the Sugar Bowl. Once the BCS fricked up, it opened up the title to be split. Don't blame USC, don't blame the AP, blame the BCS.
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