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re: Pels vs Thunder: Z Day
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:36 pm to shel311
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:36 pm to shel311
Screw it, I'll bite:
Embiid, can't remember the season but do recall him complaining and the fouls evening out - though I think that was more of the disparity between the two teams rather than one individual.
Phil Jackson would do it all the time during games and after pressers and it most certainly worked for him both with Chicago and the Lakers (think the rigged series against the Kings, game 6 for example).
LINK
Embiid, can't remember the season but do recall him complaining and the fouls evening out - though I think that was more of the disparity between the two teams rather than one individual.
Phil Jackson would do it all the time during games and after pressers and it most certainly worked for him both with Chicago and the Lakers (think the rigged series against the Kings, game 6 for example).
LINK
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:38 pm to LSUgrad88
quote:Isn't your argument that if you complain nationally you'll get more calls?
Look at your facts dumbass. Shaq was already shooting double figures in free throws.
So explain Shaq.
And also, name 2 examples. Go!!
I've 1 example gifted to me with Shaq proving my side. Still waiting for you to give your examples, since it happens every year but you can't recall 1 single instance.
Just so great that you thought the Shaq thing proved you correct then I showed you the data that proved you wrong and you can't concede that it did
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:41 pm to From Rice to Ingram
quote:But did they?
Screw it, I'll bite:
Embiid, can't remember the season but do recall him complaining and the fouls evening out - though I think that was more of the disparity between the two teams rather than one individual.
quote:I've never seen anyone argue that Kings game 6 happened because Phil worked the refs for calls. It's always been that shite was rigged, no? Didn't Donaghey ref that game also?
Phil Jackson would do it all the time during games and after pressers and it most certainly worked for him both with Chicago and the Lakers (think the rigged series against the Kings, game 6 for example).
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:42 pm to LSUgrad88
I’m done arguing with you and your BS. Everything I and most of the posters are talking about is creating an awareness that Zion is not getting a fair whistle from refs. I think everyone agrees with that (well maybe not you). CJ is trying to do something about it and I think Willie and our organization should as well. I imagine behind the scenes they are, but that clearly doesn’t appear to be working. I can’t say that if Willie loses his shite on the court or Griff publicly goes on that Zion will shoot 3.7567 more free throws a game like some numbers douche apparently wants. But if national writers and commentators are talking about it, it’s silly to think it won’t help to some degree.
And with this I’m done with you.
And with this I’m done with you.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:48 pm to LSUgrad88
quote:Like Shaq did?
Everything I and most of the posters are talking about is creating an awareness that Zion is not getting a fair whistle from refs.
Below are unassailable facts:
- you said if we complained, we would get more calls
- you said coaches/teams do that "every year" and it works
- despite saying it is happening every year, you can't provide 1 single example of it EVER happening
- an example was posted with the Shaq interview, you piggybacked on that one as the one example to prove me wrong
- the actual facts and data on the Shaq example in no uncertain terms support what I've said and is the complete opposite of what you said
Again, those are all facts.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:56 pm to From Rice to Ingram
quote:I doubt we'll still be talking about this tomorrow but if we are I can post the team numbers. Just takes a bit longer having to go into each game, only way I know how to do it.
Embiid, can't remember the season but do recall him complaining and the fouls evening out - though I think that was more of the disparity between the two teams rather than one individual.
For just Embiid, he was fined after game 4.
From game 1 to 4 Embiid averaged 10.8 FTs per game.
For the rest of the postseason after his complaint/fine, Embiid averaged 7.7 FTs per game.
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:59 pm to LSUgrad88
quote:
NBA players over the last 25 years to average 10+ FGA per game in the “restricted area” and not average 10+ free throws: Russell Westbrook: 2019-20
Zion Williamson: 19-20, 20-21, 22-23
Damn. That's tough.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 11:59 pm to shel311
He complained after like game 3 or something in that series. And no, Donaghy did not ref that game, he just said it was rigged.
If you are just going to refute after I gave examples with a "but did they?" what is the point of responding haha. It's not like the officials are going to ever say it had any impact.
If you are just going to refute after I gave examples with a "but did they?" what is the point of responding haha. It's not like the officials are going to ever say it had any impact.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 12:08 am to shel311
You're really out here taking up for refs lmfao
Posted on 11/29/22 at 12:21 am to shel311
LMAO, you can't know the series because I can't even remember the series I am referring to. Probably because I never thought I'd have to prove such a specific thing lol
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 12:27 am
Posted on 11/29/22 at 12:46 am to From Rice to Ingram
quote:Huh? My point is you can't just give an example then say it proves your point, especially when you didn't actually even give an example. You have to provide the data to show that. Or heck, just provide the actual example, start there.
If you are just going to refute after I gave examples with a "but did they?" what is the point of responding haha
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 12:51 am
Posted on 11/29/22 at 12:48 am to From Rice to Ingram
quote:So you're telling me of an example but you have no idea which series it was but it's definitely proof even though you don't even know the series but just trust you... is that what you're saying? Because that is exactly what you're saying.
LMAO, you can't know the series because I can't even remember the series I am referring to. Probably because I never thought I'd have to prove such a specific thing lol
Posted on 11/29/22 at 6:41 am to shel311
LINK
Here’s a breakdown of multiple times Phil Jackson complained about the refs and the subsequent results. 7 times it worked, a couple times it didn’t, and a couple times it was inconclusive.
quote:
Phil Jackson knows how to work refs
Here’s a breakdown of multiple times Phil Jackson complained about the refs and the subsequent results. 7 times it worked, a couple times it didn’t, and a couple times it was inconclusive.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 6:42 am
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:14 am to Baron
quote:So then if it works sometimes and doesn't work other times, then my question would be did it actually work? It sounds like exactly what would happen if he did not complain, sometimes you get more calls the following game and sometimes you don't or just randomness from game to game.
Here’s a breakdown of multiple times Phil Jackson complained about the refs and the subsequent results. 7 times it worked, a couple times it didn’t, and a couple times it was inconclusive.
Sometimes we shoot 12 FTs then the very best game we shoot 28 FTs with no one complaining, just randomness. Another question I'd ask, don't we all, myself included, complain that the Lakers almost always get the calls? So then isn't it skewed to say it worked because the Lakers got the calls the next game, when 1 of our arguments is that they almost always get the calls?
Why did it work sometimes but not others?
And 1 more note, to the other poster flipping out about this, he specifically said it wouldn't happen the very next game, and your link uses the next games results. It was mentioned CJ complaining on the national Windhorst pod and Zion has since shot 3 FTs in 2 games and that poster stated it would take more games, so only specific to that poster, his logic or actual direct words were that the very next game would not see results since it takes time for that word to travel to the refs or some shite, I don't know.
But given the CJ complaining, the Embiid fine, the Shaq fine, your posts where sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't work. Kinda feels like it's all random to me.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 8:27 am
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:25 am to Baron
Shel is a disingenuous douche bag who wants to be provided objective proof on a completely subjective thing: how different crews in different games against different teams will handle calling Zion. To want numerical proof of this from past games is absurd and anyone without an agenda or possessing common sense realizes it’s impossible to “prove.” To make it worse he takes my opinion that Willie should be more proactive with putting it out there that Zion is not getting calls to argue that I’m saying I know more that Willie or I care more than Willie about the Pelicans winning. Utter stupidity and again just completely disingenuous from someone who, like all of us, complains when he thinks Willie is playing the wrong lineups. Just shows he’s a hypocrite. It’s no longer worth arguing with this troll.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:31 am to LSUgrad88
quote:You can't argue any facts, all you're doing is crying and name calling.
Shel is a disingenuous douche bag
Provide something, anything of substance and maybe I'll consider caring about your post instead of just making you look foolish like I did over and over and over last night.
quote:All I asked you was to recall ONE single instance of something you said happens every year, and you admitted that you couldn't even remember ONE single instance.
who wants to be provided objective proof
quote:It's absurd to ask for 1 single example of something you claimed we see every year? You sure about that?
To want numerical proof of this from past games is absurd
quote:What would you call someone who says that something happens every year but can't recall any single example of it ever happening?
Utter stupidity and again just completely disingenuous
quote:Remember when you piggybacked on the Shaq interview and how it proved me wrong, then called me a dumbass because I showed you that Shaq actually got a worse whistle after he did that? Yea, that was me making you look foolish because you can't have a simple debate without losing your shite. So now I make you look foolish, although you're doing a great job doing that on your own without me.
Just shows he’s a hypocrite. It’s no longer worth arguing with this troll.
You've yet to argue any facts, just crying about nonsense. Get ahold of yourself, come back prepared to discuss this...or continue crying, up to you.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 8:32 am
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:33 am to shel311
quote:
So then if it works sometimes and doesn't work other times, then my question would be did it actually work?
Actually it worked for Phil Jackson more often than it didn’t, which would be evidence, even if not totally conclusive, that pointing it out to the refs may have a slight effect.
For the most part I actually agree with you, but this whole argument is silly. If it’s probably not going to do anything then what does it hurt to try? Zion is not getting officiated fairly and we don’t have much recourse other than trying to bring more attention to it. Even if it doesn’t work, I’d rather see us at do something to at least show Zion, the team, and the fan base we are trying.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 8:36 am
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:37 am to Baron
quote:only if you believe the Lakers were not typically the beneficiary of getting calls, correct?
Actually it worked for Phil Jackson more often than it didn’t, which would be evidence, even if not totally conclusive, that pointing it out to the refs may have a slight effect.
quote:I know teams meet with NBA reps on things like this and create video packages of their guys not getting calls. I think those types of things can actually sometimes help get a better whistle.
Zion is not getting officiated fairly and we don’t have much recourse other than trying to bring more attention to it.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 8:38 am
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:39 am to Baron
quote:
If it’s probably not going to do anything then what does it hurt to try? Zion is not getting officiated fairly and we don’t have much recourse other than trying to bring more attention to it. Even if it doesn’t work, I’d rather see us at do something to at least show Zion, the team, and the fan base we are trying.
THANK YOU.
Willie not saying anything about z getting one ft last night kinda pissed me off
Posted on 11/29/22 at 8:40 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:
If it’s probably not going to do anything
quote:You're welcome
THANK YOU.
So now you agree with me?
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