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Tulane-LSU rivalry- Those were the days.
Posted on 10/31/08 at 8:59 am
Posted on 10/31/08 at 8:59 am
How about a sticky?
Many here are too young to remember when LSU-Tulane was a true "rivalry". In fact, until the mid 80's, it was considered a top 10 rivalry. Fans of both teams in NO LA and even BR looked forward to the game with a passionate anticipation. Fans talked trash and proudly wore their colors, even little kids. On the corner of Laurel and Webster, there was Norby's annual wheelbarrow event where members/fans of the winners would get pushed around the block by the losers. It was an all day affair. This spun off to similar races and rivalry events around the city. It is now merely a small time game between two in-state schools. I miss those days.
What are the reasons for the decline? Some may argue that it is a function of the decline of Tulane's program. I don't necessarily believe that. Tulane often sucked back then and rarely won. They had not won for 25 years prior to the 14-0 win in 1973. Tulane stadium was still filled and fans were just as passionate. Even LSU fans are less passionate about the game nowadays. I think the main reason is that Tulane no longer plays at Tulane Stadium (the worst thing that ever happened to the program). The game remained passionate for a while after that, but it was gradually fizzling out. Even Tulane winning 3 out of 4 years in the 80's (48-7, 24-13, 31-28) did little to prevent this. Attendance and passion in NO LA had been declining for Tulane football as well (e.g. 12-0 1998 with poor attendance). Unless Tulane builds a stadium on their campus, the passion will never be back. And if that ever happens, it would still take more than a decade. Just wanted to vent that I miss the rivalry. I think that current fans who are of the mind set that they would not even want a rivalry with Tulane would feel and think differently if they had experienced the games when it was truly a passionate rivalry.
Many here are too young to remember when LSU-Tulane was a true "rivalry". In fact, until the mid 80's, it was considered a top 10 rivalry. Fans of both teams in NO LA and even BR looked forward to the game with a passionate anticipation. Fans talked trash and proudly wore their colors, even little kids. On the corner of Laurel and Webster, there was Norby's annual wheelbarrow event where members/fans of the winners would get pushed around the block by the losers. It was an all day affair. This spun off to similar races and rivalry events around the city. It is now merely a small time game between two in-state schools. I miss those days.
What are the reasons for the decline? Some may argue that it is a function of the decline of Tulane's program. I don't necessarily believe that. Tulane often sucked back then and rarely won. They had not won for 25 years prior to the 14-0 win in 1973. Tulane stadium was still filled and fans were just as passionate. Even LSU fans are less passionate about the game nowadays. I think the main reason is that Tulane no longer plays at Tulane Stadium (the worst thing that ever happened to the program). The game remained passionate for a while after that, but it was gradually fizzling out. Even Tulane winning 3 out of 4 years in the 80's (48-7, 24-13, 31-28) did little to prevent this. Attendance and passion in NO LA had been declining for Tulane football as well (e.g. 12-0 1998 with poor attendance). Unless Tulane builds a stadium on their campus, the passion will never be back. And if that ever happens, it would still take more than a decade. Just wanted to vent that I miss the rivalry. I think that current fans who are of the mind set that they would not even want a rivalry with Tulane would feel and think differently if they had experienced the games when it was truly a passionate rivalry.
This post was edited on 10/31/08 at 9:06 am
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Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:02 am to LSUTANGERINE
wasn't the win in 1973? I sat on the Indian Mouns and listened to the game on thew radio. You remember radio, dont you.?
it was about 40 degrees and I caught a cold.
Yeah the things you remember. All I thought was great after 25 years we lose my freshmen year
it was about 40 degrees and I caught a cold.
Yeah the things you remember. All I thought was great after 25 years we lose my freshmen year
This post was edited on 10/31/08 at 9:28 am
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:05 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
Yes, 1973. I remember listeming to the game as a child on a small AM radio. My step dad is a huge LSU fans and boy was he pissed.
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:14 am to LSUTANGERINE
I was there for the dying days of the LSU-Tulane series in the early 90s.
I think that LSU should continue to play Tulane every year, especially within the current terms of the contract between the two teams. But the game either needs to be the first game of the year, or it needs to be the next to last game of the year, right before Arkansas. I think that would add something to the rivalry.
Back in those days, the game was always the last game of the season, and I think that had something to do with the rivalry being bigger. If it is the first game of the year, it is something that fans can talk about all summer. If it's near the end of the season, it won't get lost in the shuffle so much as this year's game has - we're all talking about Alabama, right?
I think that LSU should continue to play Tulane every year, especially within the current terms of the contract between the two teams. But the game either needs to be the first game of the year, or it needs to be the next to last game of the year, right before Arkansas. I think that would add something to the rivalry.
Back in those days, the game was always the last game of the season, and I think that had something to do with the rivalry being bigger. If it is the first game of the year, it is something that fans can talk about all summer. If it's near the end of the season, it won't get lost in the shuffle so much as this year's game has - we're all talking about Alabama, right?
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:17 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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I sat on the Indian Mouns and lsiteened to the fame on thew raio. You rememebr radio, dont you
Why am I hearing Bobcat Golthwait's voice in my head as I read this.
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:22 am to LSUTANGERINE
Good post...but I think the end of the rivalry had more to do with Tulane saying that they are no longer focusing on Football and athletics in general. So your program sucks and it's no fun to have a rivalry like that...ask Ole Miss.
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:23 am to LSUTANGERINE
Very few, if any, remember Tulane being a rival. And most question the logic of locking in a 10 year deal with them when most fans don't care- and also wonder why LSU is basically supporting a program on life support with our sports-welfare plan.
No one gives a damn about Tulane, and you'll see that attitude with the pathetic turnout for tomorrow night's game. Does Tulane still hate us? Yes, because they want to be us. They'll talk about us on their message board like they're so superior to us, but deep down inside, they wish they had an athletic department and football program to compete with ours. Sadly, they never will. Meanwhile, LSU's academic programs and reputation increase in prestige every year (see US News); now even their academic smack rings hollow.
I'd rather play McNeese for 10 years.
No one gives a damn about Tulane, and you'll see that attitude with the pathetic turnout for tomorrow night's game. Does Tulane still hate us? Yes, because they want to be us. They'll talk about us on their message board like they're so superior to us, but deep down inside, they wish they had an athletic department and football program to compete with ours. Sadly, they never will. Meanwhile, LSU's academic programs and reputation increase in prestige every year (see US News); now even their academic smack rings hollow.
I'd rather play McNeese for 10 years.
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:24 am to Tiger Phil
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or it needs to be the next to last game of the year, right before Arkansas. I think that would add something to the rivalry.
I think the Tulane wins in the 70s and 80s prompted LSU to want the game earlier in the season. After a tough conference schedule, the Tigers would sometimes feel a let down at the Tulane game, while the Greenies after only one or two wins saw this game as their "bowl" game. LSU is more "up" for the game earlier in the season.
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:24 am to genuineLSUtiger
I have heard some of the old timers talk about the games. Often they would go right into talking about fights at both Tulane and at LSU. Huge brawls of drunken stupidity.
Heard about one at Tulane where they were fighting on the field, in the stands and outside the stadium all at one time.
Also heard about a major melee at Tiger Stadium in which some of the fights went on in a nearby canefield afterwards.
Now alot of this could be just made up BS being spread by a few old drunks, but they sounded real to me.
Heard about one at Tulane where they were fighting on the field, in the stands and outside the stadium all at one time.
Also heard about a major melee at Tiger Stadium in which some of the fights went on in a nearby canefield afterwards.
Now alot of this could be just made up BS being spread by a few old drunks, but they sounded real to me.
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:27 am to Tiger Phil
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Back in those days, the game was always the last game of the season, and I think that had something to do with the rivalry being bigger.
I agree. Last game.
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:29 am to In The Know
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I'd rather play McNeese for 10 years.
While the decline in the interest in TU football plays a huge part, this is another example of a factor which has also led to the decline. Those with similar statements probably feel that way simply b/c they have never experienced the rivalry. It is really too bad that it has declined. ANd yes, your statement about Tulane focusing less on athletics, particulary FB has a lot to do with it. SHoot, they won't even build a smal stadium that holds 40,000 on campus.
This post was edited on 10/31/08 at 9:33 am
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:31 am to footballislife
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Now alot of this could be just made up BS being spread by a few old drunks, but they sounded real to me.
It was intense indeed, even though LSU won the vast majority of the time.
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:32 am to LSUTANGERINE
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until the mid 80's, it was considered a top 10 rivalry.
You're nuts. Top 10 in relation to what?
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:32 am to LSUTANGERINE
I believe that another contributing factor to the decline is that students at Tulane just don't care about football. They can't give tickets away to students to go to the games. I was there for a year and never bothered to go to any of them. Mostly because it was all the way across town and that isn't as much of a commuter school as LSU is. Most of the students live on campus.
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:34 am to seawolf06
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I believe that another contributing factor to the decline is that students at Tulane just don't care about football. They can't give tickets away to students to go to the games. I was there for a year and never bothered to go to any of them. Mostly because it was all the way across town and that isn't as much of a commuter school as LSU is. Most of the students live on campus.
Indeed. That is why an on campus staium would help tremendously.
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:35 am to footballislife
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fights at both Tulane and at LSU. Huge brawls of drunken stupidity.
Heard about one at Tulane where they were fighting on the field, in the stands and outside the stadium all at one time.
Also heard about a major melee at Tiger Stadium in which some of the fights went on in a nearby canefield afterwards.
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Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:35 am to LSUTANGERINE
Tulane needs to get its hands on some of that FEMA money, say it is building "dorms" ala Huey Long and build a nice little stadium inside those "dorms". Right there in Uptown.
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:36 am to Y.A. Tittle
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You're nuts. Top 10 in relation to what?
Nationaly rivalries. Much closer to # 10 or 12 or so, but yes. I recall seeing a number of lists back when and the game was on it. These were not lists from local writers either. It was truly a rivalry, something those who have not experienced have a difficult time believeing.
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:38 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Nationaly rivalries. Much closer to # 10 or 12 or so, but yes. I recall seeing a number of lists back when and the game was on it. These were not lists from local writers either. It was truly a rivalry, something those who have not experienced have a difficult time believeing.
at one time it was a well known national rivalry....even in the 1960's Tulane Stadium would be packed....
Posted on 10/31/08 at 9:39 am to LSUTANGERINE
A lot of younger people today don't know how big the LSU-Ole Miss rivalry used to be as well. The same thing happened with them. Their program declined and so did the rivalry. I think Nutt has a good chance to bring it back.
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