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If Putin is a war criminal for the Ukraine invasion...

Posted on 10/11/22 at 10:52 am
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 10/11/22 at 10:52 am
Was JFK a war criminal for threatening a pre-emptive invasion/attack on Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

Just want to get some opinions on when pre-emptive military action in perceived defense of the country from a potential aggressor near/on international boundaries is justified?

I look forward to a logical and informed discussion.
Posted by SalE
At the beach
Member since Jan 2020
2885 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 10:54 am to
Are Bush and Hillary/Obama the same?
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/11/22 at 10:54 am to
I don't know much about the Cuban Missile Crisis. I mean I know what it was, but no intricate details. It was before my time, and I've never researched it much.

Seems there are some intriguing material there.

This post was edited on 10/11/22 at 10:55 am
Posted by aubie101
Russia
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/11/22 at 10:55 am to
The simpler argument is that George Bush is a war criminal. Gw should be in the Hague if there was justice in this world. Along with Dick Cheney.
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 10:55 am to
quote:

Are Bush and Hillary/Obama the same?


Is there even a discussion about Hillary and Obama?

At least Bush neocons can half-arse defend him by pointing to 9/11...
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/11/22 at 10:56 am to
How is suggesting that you will attack Cuba for hosting Russian nukes a war crime?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 10:56 am to
The poliboard should be renamed the Noam Chomsky Board.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 10/11/22 at 10:57 am to
Tankie Talk
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 11:00 am to
quote:

How is suggesting that you will attack Cuba for hosting Russian nukes a war crime?


Does Putin have enough trust in NATO to believe them when they say they would never put offensive weapons in Ukraine?
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 11:02 am to
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The poliboard should be renamed the Noam Chomsky Board.


The Stephen F. Cohen Memorial Board would be acceptable.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 11:03 am to
Great Power Geopolitics 101

The Ukraine warmongers have no clue either

Luckily there are experts from which that info can be obtained

John Mearscheimer

Henry Kissinger

others

anyone with a brain can understand it

of course this leaves out the FOREVER WAR / UKRAINE idiots
This post was edited on 10/11/22 at 11:06 am
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154237 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 11:05 am to
My wife answers questions with questions too.

No. JFK wasn’t guilty of war crimes for suggesting an attack on Cuba.
This post was edited on 10/11/22 at 11:08 am
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 10/11/22 at 11:07 am to
quote:

Was JFK a war criminal for threatening


Threatening is not a war crime. You have to actually DO something.
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
31202 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 11:07 am to
Would it be cool if Russia buddied up with Canada and started putting a bunch of bio labs just across our northern border?


Whose word in any part of the Federal Government can one trust anymore?
WH?
DOD?
DOJ?
FBI?
CIA?
CDC?

We’ve got a lot of nerve throwing stones at anyone right now. Our house is not in order.
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
17371 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 11:09 am to
You guys know what I think on the conflict, but I think “war crimes” is just a part of the political game. It’s a war for crying out loud. The real war crime is illegally invading a sovereign nation though, not bombing civilian housing, even though that’s terrible, every country who’s ever been in a conflict has done this though. That’s just what happens during a war. Now, if they’re rounding a bunch of civilians up into camps, and forcing them to do labor and other horrible things, then that’s a war crime.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 11:10 am to
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The poliboard should be renamed the Noam Chomsky Board.

you really should examine your fear of intelligent cogent figures
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31470 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 11:11 am to
Nice
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 11:19 am to
No. Period.



Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135101 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 11:20 am to
quote:

If Putin is a war criminal for the Ukraine invasion...
Was JFK a war criminal for threatening a pre-emptive invasion/attack on Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis?
I believe the accusation is based on claims of various documented Russian atrocities, rather than the invasion itself. Although Potatobrain did toss the "war criminal" line out early on.

These are nasty people. There are atrocities being committed on both sides. Torture and abuse of the adversary is such a normalized part of this war that the acts are often video recorded and uploaded. Nasty people!
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 10/11/22 at 11:34 am to
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Decatur


You seem like a Nation magazine subscriber. Have you ever read any of Cohen's writings on Russia?

And the "war crimes" thing is basically just shorthand for "remove him from power for doing xxx thing we don't like," which is what many are suggesting should be Putin's fate.
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