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Deciding between longevity/reliability and budget comfort with a used vehicle
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:04 am
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:04 am
I'm spinning off my own thread about getting a used car to see if my thinking is financially sound. TL;DR is at the bottom, but I thought I'd throw in some details to show some context.
I've enjoyed some nice financial freedom the past three -four years. That's when we sold our rental property, paid off both cars, and dropped a kid's preschool cost. At one point, we were solid on our emergency savings and maxing our Roth IRA contributions (in addition to our pension and SS contributions) while still having $1000 leftover per month as extra money for savings, home improvements, fun, etc. Not bad for two teachers.
In December of 2019, we decided to upgrade to a family vehicle as we were driving sedans. This brought on a $200/month note on a nice SUV that ended up having problems the dealership could not diagnose and fix. During this time, we sunk our savings into home projects that sprung up (new HVAC, furnace, ductwork - roof issues - new gutters - new windows that exposed wood rot). We spent about $25k between November of 2020 and March of 2022.
In March of 2022, the sporadic transmission issues with the SUV were getting so regular that we didn't feel safe taking it on family trips. The dealership and other mechanics still couldn't diagnose the problem. We decided to sell it and picked up a Honda Pilot for $38k. We only used the trade-in value as the down payment due to depleting our savings for the house so much. This led to a $465/month payment.
In addition to the increased car payment, we had to look for a preschool for my daughter, and our sweet home daycare with a family friend that was $600/month increased to $1000/month. We made the decision to move her to this preschool back in January when spots were filling up. We only had a $200 monthly payment as debt other than our mortgage of $1150.
This summer, my 18 year old Honda was hit in a hit and run. The upholstery needs to be replaced in the inside. The exhaust has a hole in it and needs replaced. And now the transmission is having issues. We estimate it would cost at minimum $4000 to get it back to being reliable. But the bigger issue is that my wife drives the Pilot 30 miles each day for work, and my commute is 4 miles. I need to drive the Pilot with gas being so expensive, and she needs to drive the sedan. But the sedan we currently have is in need of repairs that are about equal to what it would sell for if it was in good condition.
So now we're trying to keep our budget low with a new car payment. Carmax quoted us $1000 for my POS and we have $6000 to put down. That would leave us with $5000 in emergency savings, and when I crunch the numbers into our budget, a $350 car payment leaves $300 of cushion if we're living frugally each month. That's no saving for vacations, adding to general/emergency savings, kids clothes, incidentals, etc. It's not horrible, but it's not great IMO. No going out to eat but maybe once every few weeks. Constant worrying about house issues popping up.
My daughter will be in preschool for two years, so I know we'll clear up a good bit in fall of 2024. Then hopefully our vehicles are good for longevity after they're paid off five years from now.
TL;DR
So I can get a 2021 CRV for $29k with 20k miles. I know it will last a really long time and has great reliability. But it crunches our budget even more. I estimate it'll be around $430/month for 63 months.
Our budget is currently $25k or less. We're finding a lot of dog shite vehicles at this price. Many of which have 50-60k+ miles. The Nissan Altima we're currently looking at has a smoke smell. Longevity doesn't seem like a guarantee, but I can probably get in my $350/month desire.
So is ~$100/month cushion worth it to you all in my situation? Or would you go for a more expensive vehicle and just bite the bullet for five years?
**My wife will be driving the secondary car, so I can't just say "I'll buy a cheap POS and save up more money." Unless you all would advise paying more for gas with the Pilot and I drive the POS.**
Feeling pretty lost here. Sorry for the long thread. Finances have been comfortable for a while, so I'm in disarray trying to navigate inflation and the current market.
I've enjoyed some nice financial freedom the past three -four years. That's when we sold our rental property, paid off both cars, and dropped a kid's preschool cost. At one point, we were solid on our emergency savings and maxing our Roth IRA contributions (in addition to our pension and SS contributions) while still having $1000 leftover per month as extra money for savings, home improvements, fun, etc. Not bad for two teachers.
In December of 2019, we decided to upgrade to a family vehicle as we were driving sedans. This brought on a $200/month note on a nice SUV that ended up having problems the dealership could not diagnose and fix. During this time, we sunk our savings into home projects that sprung up (new HVAC, furnace, ductwork - roof issues - new gutters - new windows that exposed wood rot). We spent about $25k between November of 2020 and March of 2022.
In March of 2022, the sporadic transmission issues with the SUV were getting so regular that we didn't feel safe taking it on family trips. The dealership and other mechanics still couldn't diagnose the problem. We decided to sell it and picked up a Honda Pilot for $38k. We only used the trade-in value as the down payment due to depleting our savings for the house so much. This led to a $465/month payment.
In addition to the increased car payment, we had to look for a preschool for my daughter, and our sweet home daycare with a family friend that was $600/month increased to $1000/month. We made the decision to move her to this preschool back in January when spots were filling up. We only had a $200 monthly payment as debt other than our mortgage of $1150.
This summer, my 18 year old Honda was hit in a hit and run. The upholstery needs to be replaced in the inside. The exhaust has a hole in it and needs replaced. And now the transmission is having issues. We estimate it would cost at minimum $4000 to get it back to being reliable. But the bigger issue is that my wife drives the Pilot 30 miles each day for work, and my commute is 4 miles. I need to drive the Pilot with gas being so expensive, and she needs to drive the sedan. But the sedan we currently have is in need of repairs that are about equal to what it would sell for if it was in good condition.
So now we're trying to keep our budget low with a new car payment. Carmax quoted us $1000 for my POS and we have $6000 to put down. That would leave us with $5000 in emergency savings, and when I crunch the numbers into our budget, a $350 car payment leaves $300 of cushion if we're living frugally each month. That's no saving for vacations, adding to general/emergency savings, kids clothes, incidentals, etc. It's not horrible, but it's not great IMO. No going out to eat but maybe once every few weeks. Constant worrying about house issues popping up.
My daughter will be in preschool for two years, so I know we'll clear up a good bit in fall of 2024. Then hopefully our vehicles are good for longevity after they're paid off five years from now.
TL;DR
So I can get a 2021 CRV for $29k with 20k miles. I know it will last a really long time and has great reliability. But it crunches our budget even more. I estimate it'll be around $430/month for 63 months.
Our budget is currently $25k or less. We're finding a lot of dog shite vehicles at this price. Many of which have 50-60k+ miles. The Nissan Altima we're currently looking at has a smoke smell. Longevity doesn't seem like a guarantee, but I can probably get in my $350/month desire.
So is ~$100/month cushion worth it to you all in my situation? Or would you go for a more expensive vehicle and just bite the bullet for five years?
**My wife will be driving the secondary car, so I can't just say "I'll buy a cheap POS and save up more money." Unless you all would advise paying more for gas with the Pilot and I drive the POS.**
Feeling pretty lost here. Sorry for the long thread. Finances have been comfortable for a while, so I'm in disarray trying to navigate inflation and the current market.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 10:05 am
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:11 am to StringedInstruments
Financing for 72 months might be the best option. Stretch the term longer to get a good, reliable vehicle which will hold it’s value over time. If you don’t belong to a credit union, join one. They will have good rates on vehicles especially in the longer term categories.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:15 am to StringedInstruments
Can you get a CRV that's a few years older with a few more miles? Sounds like you'll have more flexibility in a couple of years, and it's not like a CRV or other Toyota/Honda counterparts won't last a long time, even if you buy one that's a 2018-ish. We've got a 2013 Sienna with 199k miles and a 2012 Prius with 165k miles and they're both going strong (van is starting to look its age if I'm being honest); I would think that getting a 2018 or 2019 would save you 6 or 7k right there and still be under 100k miles; maybe well under 100k miles. If you want to upgrade when you have more flexibility to do so you'll have that cash available.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:18 am to Heyjude
That’s a good idea, but I’ve always hated the idea of financing for a long time. Even 60 months isn’t something I’d prefer to do. I’ll look into it though.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:19 am to NEMizzou
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Can you get a CRV that's a few years older with a few more miles?
Possibly. The market is so bare that I can’t just decide to go get an older model. It might not exist currently. And if it does, the cheaper price often comes with other issues like accidents in the history, cigarette smell, history of mechanical issues, etc.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:24 am to StringedInstruments
you saw my link in other thread? that would be my suggestion. you're getting a great vehicle w depreciation hit mostly gone for a while.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:24 am to StringedInstruments
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That’s a good idea, but I’ve always hated the idea of financing for a long time. Even 60 months isn’t something I’d prefer to do. I’ll look into it though.
When we bought our Prius in 2012, it made more sense to buy new than one or two years old because of the 0% financing and lack of depreciation. We did a 60 month note because I think that was the most you could get at the time; if you're planning on keeping the thing for a long time and it's 0% interest then outside of the mental block (which I understand) that's a pretty good bet. We bought an extended warranty for like $1,500 which, in hindsight was not bright because we have had zero issues in 10 years, but it gave me the peace of mind that if something did go haywire within the first 100k miles then I wouldn't be paying a note on a vehicle that was a money pit.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:31 am to Chad504boy
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you saw my link in other thread? that would be my suggestion. you're getting a great vehicle w depreciation hit mostly gone for a while.
But doesn’t it mean I’m getting less vehicle use with the higher mileage? I can get an Altima with 43k for the same price. Not to mention, I’d pick up the extended warranty through CarMax.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:33 am to StringedInstruments
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But doesn’t it mean I’m getting less vehicle use with the higher mileage?
not really. you might get less use buying a shittier car. CRV's can run forever. Easy to repair i've heard from mechanics. frick a warranty too. Focus on getting it paid off, not adding costs. Saving 6-7k of vehicle price by adding 35k-40k miles is a no brainer imo.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 10:57 am
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:45 am to StringedInstruments
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Even 60 months isn’t something I’d prefer to do. I’ll look into it though.
do it for 60 to lower note then just pay the thing off early to avoid all that interest. it is what i do.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:51 am to StringedInstruments
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But the sedan we currently have is in need of repairs that are about equal to what it would sell for if it was in good condition.
Have you completely abandoned this idea?
It seems better than the alternatives.
ETA- if only to buy yourself time. I’m about to put 4-5k into a vehicle worth about 10k just to buy time for vehicle supply chain to right itself.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 11:16 am
Posted on 7/22/22 at 11:14 am to StringedInstruments
I think you are in a situation where you have no choice but to compromise somewhere. Just need to figure out what is the easiest for you to swallow. FWIW I don't think Altimas are exceptionally reliable vehicles. I'd get an Accord or Camry all day over an Altima. It looks about $15k is a sweet spot for a 5-7 year old Accord with 50k or so miles. Put down what you can and extend note as long as you can. Pay down as your budget allows but you have a low note if $ is tight.
Also, if they're only ofering $1k for your car, I'd try to sell it myself. I bet you could get double that selling by owner.
Also, if they're only ofering $1k for your car, I'd try to sell it myself. I bet you could get double that selling by owner.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 11:38 am to StringedInstruments
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TL;DR
So I can get a 2021 CRV for $29k with 20k miles. I know it will last a really long time and has great reliability. But it crunches our budget even more. I estimate it'll be around $430/month for 63 months.
Our budget is currently $25k or less. We're finding a lot of dog shite vehicles at this price. Many of which have 50-60k+ miles. The Nissan Altima we're currently looking at has a smoke smell. Longevity doesn't seem like a guarantee, but I can probably get in my $350/month desire.
So is ~$100/month cushion worth it to you all in my situation? Or would you go for a more expensive vehicle and just bite the bullet for five years?
**My wife will be driving the secondary car, so I can't just say "I'll buy a cheap POS and save up more money." Unless you all would advise paying more for gas with the Pilot and I drive the POS.**
Feeling pretty lost here. Sorry for the long thread. Finances have been comfortable for a while, so I'm in disarray trying to navigate inflation and the current market.
Sounds like your budget should be way less than $25k if it's going to get you so tight. You dont need to buy a new or newer vehicle. Plenty of vehicles in the $10k-$15k range you can still find and are reliable transportation. Keep in mind this doesnt have to be a 10 year vehicle for you, it could be a 3-5 year vehicle for you and upgrade if you get more financially comfortable down the road.
If you're looking at an Altima, look for an Accord or Camry. They wont break, very reliable, get the 4 cylinder (or smaller 4 cylinder) for better gas mileage.
I have a 2014 Accord Sport with 86k on it and it's been literally perfectly reliable. Bought it brand new in 2014. Literally zero out of pocket repair cost that was accident related since I had it. I had a 2007 Accord before that briefly in the family, a 2002 Acura RL before that and a 1990 Honda Accord. The '90 Accord has 286k miles on it before the transmission dropped out finally.
Looking up my 2014 Accord, it's about $14.5k private party value right now. Just get something similar to that. I get mid to even upper 30s on the highway. Something like that even would feel like a gigantic upgrade from your older beater and not leave you stranded ever.
Something like this, especially if it had its 90k major maintenance done
The 2 things about used vehicles to always check on before buying:
1. Get it inspected by your own 3rd party mechanic before buying - know what you're getting yourself into
2. Run a vehicle check history on it to see if its a junk/salvage title, see what kind of maintenance history is on it, etc...Sometimes you can get a "Deal" on a junk/salvage title car thats in good shape - if checked out by a mechanic...sometimes they are ones to avoid entirely
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 11:42 am
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:21 pm to slackster
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Have you completely abandoned this idea?
I’m worried about the transmission. Mechanic said he thinks it just needs a transmission fluid service, but with as many miles as it has, there’s a chance it’s a bigger problem. I’ll be crushed if I sink $4000 into it and it still doesn’t work for me. Not to mention if someone hits me.
Posted on 7/22/22 at 12:39 pm to StringedInstruments
The modern honda DI engines aren't as reliable as their older port injected engines. I'd do a LOT of research on the DI engine before jumping in one (I have owned one before, not honda).
If reliability and long term maintenance is a priority, look for something port injected.
If reliability and long term maintenance is a priority, look for something port injected.
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