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re: Chappelle's show at legendary Purple Rain club cancelled cuz he's not sufficiently woke
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:54 pm to TheQuestioner
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:54 pm to TheQuestioner
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Great rebuttal. A fricking emoji.
It's more than you deserved with the idiotic things you've said in this thread.
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:58 pm to TheQuestioner
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Either you're in favor of free markets or not.
You're dropping bowling balls and feathers and wondering why they aren't hitting the ground at the same time.
I'm the extremely unrealistic situation we ever have a true free market economy you are correct, but it will never happen.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:58 pm to TheQuestioner
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The bakers should be allowed to refuse to bake a cake for the gay wedding. I'm not sure who you're arguing against here.
I was pointing out that there is a double standard with how “service” can be denied in response to another post and it always seems to favor the left.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:00 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's more than you deserved with the idiotic things you've said in this thread.
Once again, you need to point out how anything I've said is stupid.
Let me break it down for you.
1. Free markets mean that people should be allowed to sell their services to anyone they choose.
2. Venues are a service. They have the right to choose who can use their venue.
3. Shows can be fully booked - that doesn't mean shows have the right to use a venue if the venue no longer wants to host them or refuses to host them in the first place. Shows themselves have the right to cancel tickets if they can't find a venue. A show isn't venue-specific.
You're the only one here who has not provided any sort of argument against it. At this point, this is exhausting because you'll no doubt fail at arguing against it
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:03 pm to TheQuestioner
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At this point, this is exhausting
I know a free market solution that will lead to you being less exhausted.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:05 pm to TheQuestioner
We don't have a free market economy. We have a mixed economy. We also have state and federal law.
You're talking out of your arse.
You're talking out of your arse.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:05 pm to TheQuestioner
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Eh.. it's the free market in action.
I won’t disagree with you, but markets can be highly irrational and do stupid things.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:06 pm to jatilen
When are people going to get tired of being angry and miserable all the time? Good Lord, learn to be happy where you are, when you are. No one is getting out of this alive.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:10 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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We don't have a free market economy. We have a mixed economy. We also have state and federal law.
Us having a mixed economy doesn't mean that markets shouldn't be free as possible. A market can be relatively free and it's what we should be advocating for.
I'm not sure how anything you've said argues against what I'm saying.
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You're talking out of your arse.
No, you are. I'm arguing that markets should be free as possible so nobody should have a problem with venues refusing service. I'm saying we *should* have as free markets as possible.
I'm not sure how having a mixed economy is inconsistent with being okay with venues refusing service to anyone they choose. Just because markets aren't pure free markets doesn't mean we shouldn't be okay with as much freedom as possible.
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We also have state and federal law.
Refusing service based on politics doesn't breach state and federal law so yes, great rebuttal.
Well done - you once again demonstrated you have got no idea what you're talking about.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:11 pm to TheQuestioner
Wouldn't a "free market" mean that people who don't like chappelle simply don't buy a ticket?
You really don't know what was said to the venue owners that made them cancel. Regardless, seems like more of a freedom of speech issue than "free market".
You really don't know what was said to the venue owners that made them cancel. Regardless, seems like more of a freedom of speech issue than "free market".
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:12 pm to jatilen
I fully support the suppression of ideas, especially comedy and jokes, that are verbally offensive, hurtful and damaging, and contrary to what is the correct expression. We need to ensure that everyone feels safe and comfortable and not subjected to comedians that they could otherwise easily avoid by just subjecting themselves to.
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:13 pm to TheQuestioner
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Us having a mixed economy doesn't mean that markets shouldn't be free as possible. A market can be relatively free and it's what we should be advocating for.
And this is why no one is taking you seriously.
You can whine about the way things ought to be all you want. When you get out of college and into the real world, you'll get it.
Until then, I'd recommend you listen more and talk less.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:14 pm to Buryl
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Wouldn't a "free market" mean that people who don't like chappelle simply don't buy a ticket?
It's both.
1. Venues can refuse service or move service based on politics or beliefs that aren't religion according to federal law (although I personally. think religious discrimination should be allowed because it's a belief at the end of the day).
2. Customers who don't like Chappelle can not buy tickets.
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Regardless, seems like more of a freedom of speech issue than "free market".
'Freedom of speech' just means Chappelle has the right to say what he wants without government persecution. It doesn't mean a venue has to host him or give him a platform.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:18 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You can whine about the way things ought to be all you want. When you get out of college and into the real world, you'll get it.
I mean that is how it is.
Refusing service based on politics doesn't breach state and federal law so yes, great rebuttal.
It's happened several times in the past so that IS how the real world works.
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Even in this story, the venue has moved the show to somewhere else so political beliefs have clearly influenced who they give service to.
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And this is why no one is taking you seriously.
You tried arguing that federal and state laws prevented venues from refusing service based on political beliefs.
Freer markets mean that businesses and consumers have the right to give their money/services to whoever they choose provided that it doesn't breach federal laws (external characteristics + religion).
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Until then, I'd recommend you listen more and talk less.
Once again, great rebuttal.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:21 pm to TheQuestioner
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You tried arguing that federal and state laws prevented venues from refusing service based on political beliefs.
Incorrect.
You said this:
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It can refuse entry to anyone
That was idiotic.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:23 pm to TheQuestioner
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1. Venues can refuse service or move service based on politics or beliefs that aren't religion according to federal law (although I personally. think religious discrimination should be allowed because it's a belief at the end of the day).
2. Customers who don't like Chappelle can not buy tickets.
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Regardless, seems like more of a freedom of speech issue than "free market".
'Freedom of speech' just means Chappelle has the right to say what he wants without government persecution. It doesn't mean a venue has to host him or give him a platform.
1 is covered by freedom of association in the first amendment... Along with maybe civil rights act and a host of jurisprudence.
And I wasnt referring to Chappelle's speech - I was referring to the individuals who complained/threatened the venue. Depending on what was said, they could have exposed themselves to criminal or civil liability - THAT was the free speech I was talking about.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:34 pm to jatilen
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We believe in diverse voices
until we disagree with you
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:42 pm to idlewatcher
So in the end a lot of paying customers got fricked because the first venue is roughy double the size of the replacement.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:47 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That was idiotic.
From context, I thought it would be pretty clear that I meant anyone other than protected characteristics set by government.
I didn't think I would need to specify the anyone *except characteristics that the federal government protects.*
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:50 pm to TheQuestioner
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From context, I thought it would be pretty clear that I meant anyone other than protected characteristics set by government.
Why would that be clear? You've prattled on about the economy and law that you don't understand, with your ideas of how things should be.
I'm supposed to guess what you really meant? Nah.
At best, it was only idiotic because you don't know how to carry on a useful conversation.
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