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Anyone do covered calls?

Posted on 7/6/22 at 7:27 pm
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 7:27 pm
Curious about others strategy

I sold AMD $80 July 29, 2022 at $2.66

I think it probably gets called but get 7% return. Also lowers by basis to $74 on downside.

Didn't realize it was after earnings if shares drop pre earnings might buy to close.
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 7:30 pm to
All the time. Messing with EX div dates in my paper account.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42055 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 7:32 pm to
What are your favorite to sell covered calls
Posted by bovine1
Member since Dec 2004
1358 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 9:21 pm to
I do them and have for years.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16056 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 9:47 pm to
I’ve done them a lot.

I was very involved in Covered calls in the 90’s and early 2000’s but cut back a lot after the time constraint got too much.

I did some a few years ago on a few stocks that i held, had gains, wanted to sell and found some rich premiums which I thought made sense to do.

There’s some apps out can be helpful but I never tried any. Would love to know if any advice on that
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 11:31 pm to
quote:

What are your favorite to sell covered calls


Is your goal to get assigned at whatever strike you’re contemplating, or to continue holding and repeating the process on that underlying?
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5771 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 6:18 am to
quote:

I sold AMD $80 July 29, 2022 at $2.66

I think it probably gets called but get 7% return


Or you could replace your stock with an option. This is called a long diagonal spread or AKA a "poor man's covered call".

Go 4 months out and buy the AMD Oct 21 2022 50 call for $26. Sell the same $80 July 29 Call for $2.66. If you get called out, you now get a 24% return instead of a 7% return.

If the underlying doesn't perform, the call you sold will expire. So now you will have the potential to do the same thing for August, Sept, and Oct etc. You have 4 bites at the apple.

Just something different to think about.

This post was edited on 7/7/22 at 7:44 am
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16056 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 7:04 am to
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Go 4 months out and buy the AMD Oct 21 2022 50 call for $26. Sell the same $80 July 29 Call for $2.66. If you get called out, you now get a 24% return instead of a 7% return.


I’m a bit confused when you say “sell the same $80 July 29 call”
If you bought sept 50 and sell July 80,
How are they the same?
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 7/7/22 at 7:15 am to
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“sell the same $80 July 29 call”


Sell the same $80 AMD call for $2.66 that lawnwrangler sold in his example.

In his example he uses the stock to "cover" his position.

In my example, I use an option.

This post was edited on 7/7/22 at 7:45 am
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
1601 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 7:31 am to
I had been right before the hurricane hit but since then haven’t had the time. It would’ve been awesome in this bear market.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
71558 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 8:15 am to
In my robinhood account I do cash secured puts and covered calls...although not as much lately bagholding some stuff

If you really want to make some money, but take high risk, look into triple levered ETFs like TNA or TQQQ.

I say high risk because if you cant sell fast enough you might find yourself holding a triple leveraged ETF for quite some time after getting assigned...as I am with TNA right now
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 12:21 pm to
quote:

I do cash secured puts and covered calls...although not as much lately bagholding some stuff


You’re doing a version of the “wheel strategy” it sounds like. It’s one of the strategies that I also use. It’s a good, proven (over time) options selling strategy.

And yeah, sometimes it takes us awhile to sell off our “inventory”, doesn’t it? Because I scan for underlyings with relatively high IV percentiles/rank (above 50%) and that often coincides with earnings, I’m sometimes playing with fire. But as long as you stick with “real” companies with real earnings, holding them (and continuing to sell calls) isn’t as painful. But sometimes you still feel like you’re getting
Posted by Delacroix22
Member since Aug 2013
4537 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 12:43 pm to
I have not

But my IB friend does all the time
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

I’m a bit confused when you say “sell the same $80 July 29 call” If you bought sept 50 and sell July 80, How are they the same?


In addition to what frogtown explained (very well, I might add), notice that the call that he hypothetically bought is deep in the money. So that call strike will trade essentially like the stock, because it has substantial intrinsic value. So he has some cushion there and is paying substantially less to control the same amount of stock than if he just bought shares… and he can use short calls to chip away at his long call purchase price.

Using his example, he could sell calls at any strike above $76 (50 long call strike + his 26 call cost) and still make money.

You just have to keep an eye on the price action of the stock and how the decrease in time value affects that long call - and how a spike in IV (say around earnings time) will boost the price of the long call (which is good!). But yeah, that’s another very good strategy for certain conditions and underlyings.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42055 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 8:41 pm to
quote:


Is your goal to get assigned at whatever strike you’re contemplating, or to continue holding and repeating the process on that underlying?



I guess either is fine - wouldn't mind it just missing price and doing it again

You have to think what if it gets called
This post was edited on 7/7/22 at 8:45 pm
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42055 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 8:43 pm to
quote:

Just something different to think about.


Thanks going to have to up option level
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42055 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 8:49 pm to
I sold Jan 23 Chevron at $155

That's 10% upside

$9.5 yesterday so seemed like good money
Posted by Retrograde
TX
Member since Jul 2014
2914 posts
Posted on 7/7/22 at 11:30 pm to
As long as you write a covered call at a strike you are ok with giving up your shares at, there is no downside to doing it.

The only downside is if the stock goes straight down, which would not be the CC’s fault but the underlying security.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16056 posts
Posted on 7/8/22 at 6:44 am to
Some stocks trade in a way that makes them perfect for writing calls

They trade in these ranges and you can take advantage of that without getting called out.
I don’t have any particular names to suggest but they’re generally the small caps that get swung easily by day traders

Posted by bod312
Member since Jul 2015
846 posts
Posted on 7/8/22 at 8:53 am to
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The only downside is if the stock goes straight down, which would not be the CC’s fault but the underlying security.


You can miss the opportunity to sell. I was selling covered calls on F. In about a 6 week period the stock went from 19 to 25 back to 19. I had sold some calls at like $22. Well it was below $22 by the expiration date and thus they never got called away. I would have sold everything at $25 if they weren't in the options trade and actually did sell the shares that weren't in the options contract.
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