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re: I still would love to know why killing a pregnant woman is two counts of murder
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:18 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:18 pm to Ace Midnight
I said nothing about "property." You did.
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Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:24 pm to tiger91
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I still would love to know why killing a pregnant woman is two counts of murder
but abortion isn't.
While we're answering this, can we also answer why if you go to the doctor and have your tonsils removed it's perfectly fine, but if I grab you on the street and remove your tonsils against your will I end up in prison?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:25 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I said nothing about "property." You did.
My apologies if I'm confused.
Is the unborn child (fetal mass/tumor if you will) the victim of fetal homicide if a third party without the consent of the mother commits said homicide? Yes or no.
If no, then is the mother the victim?
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:26 pm to Green Chili Tiger
quote:
your tonsils
Do your tonsils eventually grow into a human being?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:28 pm to tiger91
True
It's nonsensical
What if the person that kills the pregnant person, wants to perform an abortion on the fetus inside the pregnant person?
Isn't it that person's right to perform an abortion?
It's nonsensical
What if the person that kills the pregnant person, wants to perform an abortion on the fetus inside the pregnant person?
Isn't it that person's right to perform an abortion?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:30 pm to AggieHank86
So, if a haaaaaaaaart beeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!!! doesn't equal a living thing, what does?
Oh, and by the way, you really aren't as smart as you think you are. In fact, you should have been washed away down a drain (fill in the blank) years ago.
Oh, and by the way, you really aren't as smart as you think you are. In fact, you should have been washed away down a drain (fill in the blank) years ago.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:31 pm to canyon
give him a break, he's into drag shows for children.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:41 pm to canyon
quote:I have never said that a fetus is not a "living thing."
So, if a haaaaaaaaart beeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!!! doesn't equal a living thing, what does?
Being "alive" does not vest legal rights, or pigs and barley plants would have legal rights.
"Reeeeeeeee. Hank says that pigs and fetuses are exactly the same! Reeeeeeee."
No, he doesn't. He says that both are alive, yet SoCons think that one has legal rights and the other does not. Therefore, mere "life" is clearly NOT the factor which confers those rights.
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:42 pm to AggieHank86
Your shite is tiresome. Go find a job fricktwat.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:42 pm to canyon
Why does the mother have the right to kill the fetus, but someone else doesn't?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:44 pm to tiger91
quote:
I still would love to know why killing a pregnant woman is two counts of murder
quote:
but abortion isn't.
In leftist "logic" it comes down to whether the "fetus" is wanted or not.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:44 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:It will depend entirely upon the language of the applicable statute. I would not be surprised if some statutes phrase it that way. I would not be surprised if other statutes do not. Further, not all criminal statutes define a "victim." They simply criminalize certain behaviors. "Jaywalking" has no discernible victim, yet it is deemed to be criminal behavior and produces criminal penalties.
Is the unborn child (fetal mass/tumor if you will) the victim of fetal homicide if a third party without the consent of the mother commits said homicide? Yes or no.
If no, then is the mother the victim?
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:48 pm to Fells
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That's where your confusion is. A fetus is not a person. A person is defined by a brain, so a fetus, lacking the physical infrastructure necessary to have a "self", cannot achieve personhood.
You're being sarcastic, right? A fetus develops a brain in week 5. Most women do not know they are pregnant at week 5.
AmericanPregnancy.org
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:49 pm to DawgsLife
...but they know there's a chance they're knocked up.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:50 pm to hogcard1964
quote:
...but they know there's a chance they're knocked up.
And?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:51 pm to DawgsLife
quote:He is clearly referencing "higher brain function," like cognition, even if he did not phrase it well.
You're being sarcastic, right?
"I think, therefore I am." Descartes.
As an example, a 16-week fetus has far less higher brain function than the steer killed for tonight's steak dinner. Neither is philosophically a "person."
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:58 pm to AggieHank86
"a 16-week fetus has far less higher brain function than the steer killed for tonight's steak dinner."
Neither do you, but I wouldn't consider you less of a person than a farm animal.
Neither do you, but I wouldn't consider you less of a person than a farm animal.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 2:59 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
He is clearly referencing "higher brain function," like cognition, even if he did not phrase it well.
Okay. And what about people who have had accidents and are in a coma? Kill them? They do not have higher brain functions.
quote:At what point do they achieve "suitable" brain function? I mean a steer can feed itself and protect it's young. A baby cannot. So a steer still has a higher brain function than a 2 year old, essentially.
As an example, a 16-week fetus has far less higher brain function than the steer killed for tonight's steak dinner. Neither is philosophically a "person."
The human brain is intricately designed to execute cognitive functions, such as perception, attention, action, memory and learning. The complete nervous system is active during prenatal development and the aim of this review is to present data on fetal cognitive functions. The fetus processes sensory stimuli at a cortical level, including painful stimulus, from about 25 weeks of gestation onwards.
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 6/24/22 at 3:06 pm to AggieHank86
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"Jaywalking" has no discernible victim, yet it is deemed to be criminal behavior and produces criminal penalties.
Obviously "jaywalking" has a "victim" - society, local government, whoever operates and is responsible for maintaining safe conditions on that street or otherwise has a reasonable expectation of using that public street.
Same as for most so-called "victimless" crimes - it can be argued that some of the vice crimes, a nanny state is trying to protect folks from themselves, but "jaywalking", public nuisance laws, noise ordinances are not those sorts of things, however trivial.
But, I'm asking you, AggieHank - you're writing the statute for fetal homicide.
First, do you believe such an act should ever be criminal?
If so, who is the victim? The child after a certain gestational age? Always the mother? Someone else?
This post was edited on 6/24/22 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 6/24/22 at 3:20 pm to Fells
quote:Justice to the mother for what?
Because the mother is intended to keep the pregnancy, so it's justice for the mother, not for her fetus.
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