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re: 79 years later, the German Army once again fields a Panther main battle tank

Posted on 6/14/22 at 4:04 am to
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
9459 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 4:04 am to
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see these in action

Here you go. This is awesome.

Panther KF51 Main Battle Tank (YouTube)
This post was edited on 6/14/22 at 4:05 am
Posted by Froman
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
36259 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 4:07 am to
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The redesign looks damn cool except for the digiflauge paint job on it.


Should have gone Damascus.
Posted by LaPride55
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2017
361 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 6:41 am to
I hope it is more reliable than a BMW or they are screwed!
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26146 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 6:45 am to
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I hope it is more reliable than a BMW or they are screwed!


If people did PMCS on their BMWs at the level first world militaries do on their tanks they wouldn't have near the issues they have this is coming from a 25 plus year owner of M cars that owns more than one 10mm socket.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20979 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 6:58 am to
Can we talk about the general wisdom of making a tank worth millions of dollars when a $50k rocket can take it out?
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
91219 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 7:01 am to
That’s a badass looking tank
Posted by Cajun Tifoso
Lafayette, LA
Member since Sep 2010
2583 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 7:05 am to
Hope they don’t brew up as well as the Leopard II’s that the Turkish bought. The Kurds were lighting them up.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26146 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 7:10 am to
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Can we talk about the general wisdom of making a tank worth millions of dollars when a $50k rocket can take it out?


After we discuss the wisdom of spending over a million dollars to train a soldier a 50 cent bullet can take out.

Your line of thinking means there are no weapons worth fielding.
Posted by Alltheway Tigers!
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
7219 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 7:15 am to

Interesting the Germans allowed the tank to be called the “Panther”, which harkens back to Nazi Germany.

For a long while, Germany did anything and everything to distance themselves from that history. What has changed?
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
24190 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 7:19 am to
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To the Armour guys...so what is that skeletal main gun support structure utilized for.


Looks like they have some sort of sensor array in there.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7157 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 7:19 am to
My son’s friend’s grandfather (who recently passed away at 103) singlehandedly took out a Panzer Mark V. He was one of only 5 men credited with singlehandedly taking one out. Disabled it with a grenade then dropped another grenade inside.

The guy was a true American badass - the most decorated officer in the 82nd Airborne. Fought in the Battle of the Bulge, Operation Market Garden, took part in the Waal River. crossing...Cliff from Cheers played him in A Bridge Too Far.

His book is a great read if you like WWII stuff - it’s a real first-hand account of his battles.

This post was edited on 6/14/22 at 7:28 am
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
120760 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 7:25 am to
Youd think the Germans wouldnt continue to name stuff after Nazi stuff
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26146 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 7:30 am to
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Interesting the Germans allowed the tank to be called the “Panther”, which harkens back to Nazi Germany.


Maybe Rheinmetall did it to tweak the French (especially given it is being debuted in Paris) because Rheinmetall was unhappy with their position in the Franco-German MGCS initiative.

Displaying this tank has to be a bee in the bonnet for Nexter and Krauss Maffei Wegmann.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43478 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:00 am to
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And a drone operated a mile away will take it out


No, it won't. Did you miss the part about the active defense system?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43478 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:02 am to
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The last 3 months have showed me tanks don’t have the advantage they did even 10 years ago


None of the tanks in Ukraine, either Russian or Ukrainian, have the active defense systems we, the Israelis, and now the Germans have.

The Israeli system (which we use) has already been battle tested and proven very effective stopping any type of ATGM.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
65076 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:11 am to
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Tanks are cool and all, but if the Ukraine fiasco has taught the world anything, it's that tanks need air superiority and plenty of troop support to be effective.


Well yeah. Tanks need infantry, artillery, and air. Infantry needs tanks, artillery, and air. Air needs infantry, artillery, and tanks. It’s called combined arms warfare for a reason.
Posted by Harry Morgan
Member since Sep 2019
9193 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:15 am to
France just surrendered.
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