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I’ve noticed that Ochai Agbaji is not a popular candidate on this board
Posted on 5/21/22 at 7:34 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 7:34 am
He has Jordan Poole upside to me. Perfect CJ Mcollum replacement in a few years.
6’5 combo guard
Elite shooting
3-level scorer
Capable defender
High Character
41” vertical
6’5 combo guard
Elite shooting
3-level scorer
Capable defender
High Character
41” vertical
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 8:01 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 7:39 am to Louisianabound88
I’m a big fan of his. Winner as well. High floor guy we can fill our roster out with.
One huge reason I suspect is due to the board fixated with the 8th pick and that second tier of prospects.
Ochai is who I want if we move back though
One huge reason I suspect is due to the board fixated with the 8th pick and that second tier of prospects.
Ochai is who I want if we move back though
Posted on 5/21/22 at 8:16 am to Louisianabound88
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I’ve noticed that Ochai Agbaji is not a popular candidate on this board
Its because although his floor is pretty high, his ceiling isn’t. He’s already 22, much older than nearly every other prospect in the lottery. His numbers are good, but not spectacular. Poole who you compared him to is barely a year older than Agbaji and he’s already played 3 years in the league. We went over this with Mitchell last year, historically older prospects that get taken in the lottery rarely pan out. In fact, he’s the only 22 year old projected to go in the 1st round. Everyone other older prospect is projected to go in the mid to late 2nd. So is he better than 19year old guys like Sochan, Mathurin, or Daniels right now? Probably a little bit, but are those guys 3 years from now when they are 22 going to be better than Agbaji right now at 22? I’d say the chances are pretty good
We are going to be a lot deeper next year than we have been in the past, so I don’t think we need to be looking for a guy who needs to come in and contribute right away. I’d rather take a higher ceiling guy that can develop into a rotational player and potentially a high-end starter in a few years. While I believe Agbaji will be a rotational player in the league, I don’t see him ever being a high-end starter.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 8:19 am to Louisianabound88
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not a popular candidate on this board
First, I think most of us don't follow college that closely. There are a handful that clearly do, but this board is far from experts on the draft. The impression I get from Agbaji is he'd be a good fit but his ceiling isn't as high as others in this range. That's probably why there isn't a ton of excitement. That and we drafted Trey so the need to add a wing shooter isn't as severe as it was last year.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 8:24 am to Louisianabound88
Give me another 6'4-8" shooter coming off the bench who can play decent defense.
That is all I want in this draft. You can never have enough of those guys in the NBA
That is all I want in this draft. You can never have enough of those guys in the NBA
Posted on 5/21/22 at 8:27 am to Louisianabound88
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Perfect CJ Mcollum replacement in a few years.
I don't think he projects to have the ballhandling/playmaking for this role. He's more of a movement shooter and straight-line driver, right? That's not CJ.
Would much prefer Davis or Mathurin over Agbaji.
How, Agbaji over Griffin? Yes.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 8:32 am to Louisianabound88
I like Agbaji, he’s the upperclassman we see every year that’s going to be better than where he’s selected.
Though I think Jordan Poole upside and CJ replacement is a bit much. He’s not a creator, he’s a guy that will need just about all of his offense created for him.
I like him a little more than Duarte last year.
Though I think Jordan Poole upside and CJ replacement is a bit much. He’s not a creator, he’s a guy that will need just about all of his offense created for him.
I like him a little more than Duarte last year.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 9:07 am to Louisianabound88
He reminds me more of another Kansas product from years ago Ben McLemore. Hyper athletic and can hit an open three. I don’t see him being able to do much at all with the ball in his hands. That’s not good enough on the wing at 6’4.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 9:29 am to Louisianabound88
More athletic, higher intangible, little less of a pure shooting Buddy Hield is kind of the feel I get with Ochai vs a Jordan Poole or CJ imo.
I really like him though. Assuming we have Zion, CJ, Ingram, and Jonas that’s 4 guys we have that can create their own shot and 3 of those guys can also create for others reasonably well. I think another “role” player would be fine for us. He’s one of the very best fits in the draft for what we actually need the next 3-4 years imo.
I really like him though. Assuming we have Zion, CJ, Ingram, and Jonas that’s 4 guys we have that can create their own shot and 3 of those guys can also create for others reasonably well. I think another “role” player would be fine for us. He’s one of the very best fits in the draft for what we actually need the next 3-4 years imo.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:04 am to Louisianabound88
I’ve watched probably 75% of Ochai’s games over his college career. I don’t see him having a Jordan Poole kind of career. I just don’t see him having that kind of offensive upside. He should be a better defender, though. I don’t know if Poole is really a great comparison for him honestly.
I think Ochai will have a long NBA career as a 3 and D guard. I think you can expect him to be a low-end starter or high-end bench guy who you can finish games with if you need his shooting and defense. With his age and shooting, he should work his way into an NBA rotation quicker than younger guys with shakier shots. I think he will work best as an off-ball, lower-usage guy alongside more potent on-ball teammates. However, if Ochai has the ball at the end of the shot clock, he can put in on the floor and make something happen if need be. But if he is your primary creator, you probably have some issues.
He will be a solid, valuable player in my opinion. I would feel disappointed if we took him at 8 because I think you need to aim higher at that draft position. However, if we moved down to the middle of the first round, I think he would be a value pick in that range.
Another thing I will add is that his play dipped a little toward the end of the year after he got COVID in February. If you only watched him at the end of the year, you probably didn’t see him at his best. He played phenomenal prior to that and looked like a legit POY candidate.
Also, he seems like a high-character kid. He is a competitor who won a title. I think he would fit like a glove in our locker room.
I think Ochai will have a long NBA career as a 3 and D guard. I think you can expect him to be a low-end starter or high-end bench guy who you can finish games with if you need his shooting and defense. With his age and shooting, he should work his way into an NBA rotation quicker than younger guys with shakier shots. I think he will work best as an off-ball, lower-usage guy alongside more potent on-ball teammates. However, if Ochai has the ball at the end of the shot clock, he can put in on the floor and make something happen if need be. But if he is your primary creator, you probably have some issues.
He will be a solid, valuable player in my opinion. I would feel disappointed if we took him at 8 because I think you need to aim higher at that draft position. However, if we moved down to the middle of the first round, I think he would be a value pick in that range.
Another thing I will add is that his play dipped a little toward the end of the year after he got COVID in February. If you only watched him at the end of the year, you probably didn’t see him at his best. He played phenomenal prior to that and looked like a legit POY candidate.
Also, he seems like a high-character kid. He is a competitor who won a title. I think he would fit like a glove in our locker room.
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 10:09 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:27 am to Louisianabound88
would be fine as a trade back candidate
Posted on 5/21/22 at 2:39 pm to Louisianabound88
He only had one good shooting season and is old as dirt. No thanks.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 4:41 pm to Louisianabound88
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Ochai Agbaji is not a popular candidate on this board
No one here knows anything more than the 2-3 games they watched of a player in college. Otherwise, you're getting a regurgitate opinion of someone else.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 4:44 pm to Louisianabound88
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6’5 combo guard
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3-level scorer
I don't see this when I see him play. He's more of a 2 or 3, a wing type of player than a combo guard who can run your offense and handle the ball for any real stretch of play. A 3 level scorer can make plays off the dribble, hurt you at the rim or in the midrange. I didn't see him doing that at a high level in college- given his age and role at Kansas, I would be very surprised if he suddenly became a plus offensively at any offensive area beyond catch and shoot/movement 3's in the NBA.
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Elite shooting
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Capable defender
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High Character
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41” vertical
Yes. These are definitely his strengths from what I've seen. Not sure I would say he's an elite shooter, but he profiles as someone who can provide legitimate spacing while playing good defense on the wing.
I think Agbaji would be a good late lottery pick. 10-14 makes sense- it's where Duarte, Kispert, etc. got picked last year.
At 8 I'd rather take a chance on Mathy, Daniels, etc.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 7:59 pm to Louisianabound88
My biggest complaint about him is that he seems to lack competitive drive.
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