re: Is abortion murder?

Yes

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Those terms don’t exist for you.

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Sure they do. Just because I don't pretend to have access to objective morality doesn't mean I cannot hear or see those words.

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Would this include the Midianites?

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Were they utterly destroyed. Nope. Only warred with the Hebrews and lost with Gideon at the helm. Different time period from when you are referring to a child killing deity.

Ok let me rephrase the ites people of the items people mention to be utterly destroyed

Here dummy… this was the commanded peoples to be utterly destroyed… Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites all because of corrupt genetics. Re-read and understand because you clearly don’t

Keep playing my game because I can do this forever and keep showing you to be a dumbass to biblical theology.

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all because of corrupt genetics

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I'd like to see the receipts.

Show me verses where God told the Hebrews to utterly destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites because they were human/demon hybrids.

Honestly, it doesn't even matter (though I'd still like to see your references). God even killed children in the 10th plague of Egypt. Likely killed children when he slaughtered 70,000 Hebrews because King David performed a peacetime census. There's just so many examples...

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I'd like to see the receipts.

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They are in the Bible with descriptions of giants. When the scouts went to the promised land what did they see. Giants. Not someone 7 foot tall. Literal giants. The scout were “grasshoppers” compared. Think something 30 foot tall is fully human. Plus the time of the writing the readers would understand what Moses was talking about. You clearly don’t.

The Pharaoh made his own command of death. Clearly shown that anything commanded on the Hebrews would come as a plaque to the Egyptians. Pharaoh was warned multiple times by Moses. Pride of Pharaoh got his own people killed not God. Study the scriptures to show thyself approved.

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Cute, but playing coy doesn’t suit you.

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I mean, your actual point wasn't any better.

"You don't believe in Bigfoot so you can't use that word when you argue with me that it doesn't exist!"

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All you have are preferences, so what grounds do you have to criticize any belief system other than you just don’t prefer it?

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And all you have are guesses. Again, you don't have the ability to discern good from evil even if I do grant you your own flavor of objective morality. Maybe God really is the good one, maybe the Devil is. You can't tell.

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You attempt to use concepts in your criticism that you don’t even believe in and it’s nonsensical.

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No, I just use those terms differently and it clearly eats you up.

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You've had the floor to highlight these issues for quite a while now. Is there any reason you haven't?

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I literally highlighted one when i selected your statement, then hit the quote button.

No thinking, honest (and I'll say educated but I don't mean necessarily a seminarian) Bible expositor or Judeo-Christian (or Muslim for that matter) theologian believes that God's actions (as recorded by the texts' authors) are examples for man's right actions. That's absurd on its face for any belief system based on an omniscient, omnipotent, definitionally good God.

What you're attempting to grapple with I suppose is some form of theodicy.

But you couched it in terms of finite man, limited in power, knowledge and wisdom, somehow "excusing" an omniscient, infinite, omnipotent God.

I can say that I would do things differently than God does them. Sure. But I don't have the benefit of knowing everything.

Your "author of life"/excusal/application of what God does to what man should do analysis is reductionist and fatally flawed.

Of course you don't have to actually believe in God at all. But at least if you're going to have these discussions about what Christians believe, then you might think about starting with what little-"o" orthodox Christians (and preferably learned/trained ones) actually think, write, speak, and believe.

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The practice of killing people for the misdeeds of others isn't conducive to human prosperity. If you're the .1% of the human population who doesn't care about happiness, wealth, security, etc. then I guess that's a meaningless distinction to you.

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But why would I care about any happiness and prosperity but my own? There’s nothing wrong with that, right?

Besides, even if I accepted your false premise there’s nothing wrong with being in a small minority, is there? There’s really no “wrong” at all for you.

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No thinking, honest (and I'll say educated but I don't mean necessarily a seminarian) Bible expositor or Judeo-Christian (or Muslim for that matter) theologian believes that God's actions (as recorded by the texts' authors) are examples for man's right actions.

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I don't recall making that point. All I said was that God killed children in Noah's flood, and Christians justify it by claiming "The Author of Life can take life as he sees fit" - or something similar.

I never said that because the above is true, God is also advocating we drown children.

At some point yes. Aborting a 36 week old fetus is indistinguishable from killing a baby and there is no rational argument to the contrary. However, aborting a 6 week old fetus is pretty clearly not the same thing as killing a baby.

However I really don’t think this is the most relevant question. The more relevant question is should we be aborting our offspring for convenience even prior to the point where it’s clearly murder? Aborting a first trimester fetus can be a net negative without being equivalent to murder.