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Fatality rate for Myocarditis

Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:09 am
Posted by Tigers2010a
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:09 am
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Immediate complications of myocarditis include ventricular dysrhythmias, left ventricular aneurysm, CHF, and dilated cardiomyopathy. The mortality rate is up to 20% at 1 year and 50% at 5 years.


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So a minor side effect of the vaccine is myocarditis. How many people end up with myocarditis after the vaccine? Athletes anybody?
This post was edited on 2/14/22 at 11:12 am
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:26 am to
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If 1 in 2000 are getting myocarditis with the vax and 1 in 100 ( some say 60%) will develop PAH due to micro-clots, and the death rate from both in 5 years is over 50%, how many Americans have Pfizer et al put on a 5 year trajectory of certain death, calculate please.


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Dr. Hachi. We could see a significant spike in deaths due to myocarditis and Pulmonary Arterial Hypertension over the next 5 years due to vaccine. Wonder what the survival rate is over 10 years.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:27 am to
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how many Americans have Pfizer et al put on a 5 year trajectory of certain death, calculate please.


Lot of money to be made caring for these deathers over the next few years.

Buy Pfizer stock now.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:31 am to
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deathers

Posted by OGtigerfan87
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 11:54 am to
Guys I hate vaccine mandates as much as anybody but the information quoted in the OP is misleading. The Dr. who wrote that article has already came out and said that this information is being misrepresented on the internet. This original article is referring to the most severe cases of myocarditis. Dr Kang later said that not only is the fatality rate not 50% after 5 years but that 70% of people who get myocarditis never even know because they don’t show symptoms and it goes away on its own. There are plenty of things to legitimately criticize about the pandemic response we don’t have to purposely spread lies and misconstrued information to try and create a boogeyman with myocarditis. There is already one in the White House
This post was edited on 2/14/22 at 12:23 pm
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 12:05 pm to
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Immediate complications of myocarditis include ventricular dysrhythmias, left ventricular aneurysm, CHF, and dilated cardiomyopathy. The mortality rate is up to 20% at 1 year and 50% at 5 years.


This is straight from the NCIB (National Center for Biotechnology Information). I didn't see anything in there stating the cited fatality rates only applies to the most severe myocarditis patients.
Posted by ksayetiger
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 12:12 pm to
One treatment for heart inflammation is a drug (I forget the name, I heard a doctor talk about it Saturday on the radio) causes immune suppression as a side effect.

So no heart inflammation, but patients are more susceptible to other diseases
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 12:23 pm to
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The Dr. who wrote that article has already came out and said that this information is being misrepresented on the internet.


PS: Do you have a link? Looking at his twitter, I don't see a retraction or clarification.
This post was edited on 2/14/22 at 12:41 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 12:40 pm to
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So a minor side effect of the vaccine is myocarditis. How many people end up with myocarditis after the vaccine? Athletes anybody?



Whatever cells absorb the mRNA vaccine and produce the spiked protein antigen will become inflamed and die.

For most people the mRNA doesn't leave the injection site. When the deltoid muscle cells absorb the mRNA and the spiked proteins are produced and subsequently adsorbed on the cell membrane the cell is attacked by the host's own immune system. A few days of injection site inflammation is not that big of a deal. This happens with most people.

But what happens if the mRNA leave the injection site and vital organ cells such as cardiac cells absorb the mRNA? Well, you get cardiac cell death and heart inflammation (myocarditis).

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 12:49 pm to
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One treatment for heart inflammation is a drug (I forget the name, I heard a doctor talk about it Saturday on the radio) causes immune suppression as a side effect.


Well of course. Any kind of swelling is an immune response.

The issue is mRNA vaccine induced immune response and where that immune response is located. If the immune response is located in the deltoid muscles, no big deal. Muscles cells can usually regenerate. In the liver, no big deal. Liver cells can regenerate. If the immune response occurs in cardiac cells, bad news. Cardiac cells cannot regenerate.
Posted by winkchance
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Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 12:51 pm to
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never even know because they don’t show symptoms and it goes away on its own.


Where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, covid.
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 1:15 pm to
Based on cardiac MRIs of Big 10 football players 2% of people infected with covid get myocarditis.
Posted by OGtigerfan87
North La
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 1:30 pm to
The idea that the heart can’t heal itself and whatever damage is done is permanent is also untrue
Posted by OGtigerfan87
North La
Member since Feb 2019
3936 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 1:31 pm to
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Here is an article with Dr Kang explaining what is wrong with the OP. It’s simply people not knowing how to interpret the information they are looking at or not caring about the context
This post was edited on 2/14/22 at 1:36 pm
Posted by Insee
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 2/14/22 at 1:50 pm to
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The idea that the heart can’t heal itself and whatever damage is done is permanent is also untrue


Cardiac and nerve cells are highly specialized and do not regenerate. Cell damage/death is irreversible.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37317 posts
Posted on 2/14/22 at 1:57 pm to
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This is straight from the NCIB (National Center for Biotechnology Information). I didn't see anything in there stating the cited fatality rates only applies to the most severe myocarditis patients.
OP would have us believe that he was doing his regular reviews of scientific interviews when he randomly came across this. In spite of his great experience, the OP completely gets the context wrong but tries to spread his misinformation anyway.

Hey, why don't you just tell us the anti-vax site you got this from?
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