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re: Josh Hart with 23 points in his Blazers debut
Posted on 2/17/22 at 7:08 am to Bronc
Posted on 2/17/22 at 7:08 am to Bronc
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no one is arguing that BI has failed to be a consistent defender in this league, literally that was the thesis of this discussion that you attempted to interject into multiple times to try and argue
All I've ever said is that he needs to try more and he'll be good enough, but I don't know if he will get to that point because he hasn't been able to do that yet 5+ years in. You didn't like that thought.
What I argued is your claim that he was a plus defender during his time in LA, which just isn't true on any level other than selecting a tiny sample of games during one season.
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comparison with Curry was apt
It's low key wild if your main point is that Ingram's problem is he needs to try. Curry has always tried on defense. I'd love to have 2013-2015 Curry effort in Brandon Ingram's body.
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they need/needed to embrace it in order to raise the level of their team’s ceilings,
Curry played huge minutes on a top 3 defense and the best defense in the league for 2 different coaches and won a title during the time you specifically mentioned. How much higher do you think a ceiling can get?
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GT put effort into his threes, he was consistently making them at a 40% clip, but for some reason he refuses to take them or does so with no effort. GT absolutely does try to take them and puts effort into it, he’s just not good
Glad we agree that doing something only a handful of times is not enough to be good at something.
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When he puts in the effort he can be a good to elite defender…he just lacks giving consistent effort and focus
Effort and focus:defense as form and touch:3pt shooting
Fundamentally, if you don't give consistent effort and focus, you are a bad defensive player. Maybe that's changing now for Ingram, as that link I shared argues. I hope so. Would be great for him and the team.
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Posted on 2/17/22 at 7:22 am to Pelefraan 1
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Lol the Blazer tank is going horribly
I warned people that they werent tanking, literally everything out of the Portland camp was that they are still playing to win.
Simons and Nurkic have contracts to earn, Chauncey to prove he should stick around, the FO that they can keep winning around Lillard, ownership has no desire to blow it up right now.
Say what you want but Portland has done a decent job of creating the foundation for the opportunity to do a mini rebuild around Lillard to change the identity they have struggled to do so far in Portland. I can still see a scenario where they leverage our draft pick to bring in someone like Jerami Grant and roll out Lillard/Simons/Hart/Grant/Nurkic(or whoever they can find as a replacement).
Posted on 2/17/22 at 8:44 am to Bronc
While that may all be true, there is absolutely no way that Simons and Hart keep playing at the pace they have since the trade. They are both playing at an All-NBA level and doubling their season averages. They will come down to earth.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:26 am to Mystery
Simons is the real deal, not sure he averages 30 the rest of the way, but he's basically a younger, better version of CJ with better size and D. They really developed and hit it out the park with Simons. Earlier in the season I was really hoping their loyalty to CJ would allow Simons to maybe be had in RFA, but Portland is too smart and realized Simons is more the future.
Hart I think comes back down to earth.
He had a similar hot streak for us too and then reverted to the mean on his shooting, hard.
Hart I think comes back down to earth.
He had a similar hot streak for us too and then reverted to the mean on his shooting, hard.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:54 am to Bronc
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not sure he averages 30 the rest of the way
No way he does
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:55 am to Bronc
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not sure he averages 30 the rest of the way
Posted on 2/17/22 at 9:57 am to Bronc
Just watched Simons highlights
Man's could be a superstar
Man's could be a superstar
Posted on 2/17/22 at 10:01 am to Mystery
Obviously he's not going to actually average 30, that would be Giannis territory, but he is at roughly 24ppg, which puts him right near top 15 in scoring...and he keeps getting better.
Simons has been playing better than at least a couple guys on the current all star roster.
Simons has been playing better than at least a couple guys on the current all star roster.
This post was edited on 2/17/22 at 10:03 am
Posted on 2/17/22 at 10:12 am to Pelefraan 1
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Just watched Simons highlights
Man's could be a superstar
I said earlier in the season before it was clear they were picking Simons over CJ, that Simons is someone you go hard after if he can be had, like whatever it takes to get him next to Zion/BI for the next 5 years. CJ is a great consolation prize, especially for the price, but Simons floor at this point is borderline all star and his ceiling is top 15 player.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 10:20 am to Bronc
quote:They have been high on Simons since they drafted him. He has been basically an untouchable since day 1. They have always planned on him being a cornerstone. He will not be available.
I said earlier in the season before it was clear they were picking Simons over CJ, that Simons is someone you go hard after if he can be had, like whatever it takes to get him next to Zion/BI for the next 5 years. CJ is a great consolation prize, especially for the price, but Simons floor at this point is borderline all star and his ceiling is top 15 player.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:18 am to NOSHAU
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They have been high on Simons since they drafted him. He has been basically an untouchable since day 1. They have always planned on him being a cornerstone. He will not be available.
That was not the case up until the change in GM, where the priorities and direction were much less clear.
Neil Olshey had been on record multiple times essentially calling CJ untouchable, he had a strong bond because CJ was his find and his success story. Held on to him far past most in the league thought they should sell high on CJ and admit a change needed to happen.
Simons as a starter though clearly made Portland and their new GM see CJ as no longer in the future.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 11:22 am to Bronc
quote:Even under Olshey they refused to include Simons in trade negotations on many fronts.
That was not the case up until the change in GM, where the priorities and direction were much less clear.
Neil Olshey had been on record multiple times essentially calling CJ untouchable, he had a strong bond because CJ was his find and his success story. Held on to him far past most in the league thought they should sell high on CJ and admit a change needed to happen.
Simons as a starter though clearly made Portland and their new GM see CJ as no longer in the future.
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