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Where should the basketball program be now? Where should it be in the future?
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:14 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:14 am
I fully believe we have an expectations problem in this fan base. I would like to get a sense of where everyone stands on the two questions in the title:
1) Where should the basketball program be now?
2) Where should it be in the future?
For #1, I think the program is right where it should be if not a little ahead of schedule. LSU was mired in mediocrity from 2009-17. You can debate the level of mediocrity but it was mediocre. Most of the players on this team were under 6 years old last time LSU made a Final Four run and most were around 7-9 when we last won the SEC. Where are we now?
2017: NIT 2nd rd
2018: SEC Champions // Sweet 16
2019: ...COVID (Tourney lock)
2020: NCAA 2nd rd
2021: TBD (currently projected NCAAT)
That seems about right, if not a little ahead of schedule, if you consider where the program was pre-Wade.
Now, I expect LSU to make the tournament this year. That would be 4 consecutive tourney teams for the first time in 30 years. Missing the tourney after the start would be a "failure" and not winning a game a "disappointment". Neither of which should necessitate a coaching change when you consider the context of the season (injuries, youth, etc.). I think that is a reasonable expectation based on where the program is now. So, again, I ask: where should we be right now as a program?
Question #2 is a bit harder to answer, but I will give it a shot. I think it's unreasonable to expect NCAA championships. It is not debatable that it is hard to win NCAAT. There are upsets every year and Cinderella stories; it's part of the reason we love March Madness.
For expectations: I think we should see consistency in the growth of the program. I would expect we continue to push the top-4 in conference and make NCAAT. In the next 5 years I would expect another Sweet 16 run, and maybe an Elite 8 run. I expect the program to grow to a point where missing the Tourney is damn near a fire-able offense. To me, these are reasonable expectations for the future.
Again, these are about expectations not hopes. Of course I hope that LSU wins the NCAAT every year, but expecting that is only setting ourselves up for disappointment.
1) Where should the basketball program be now?
2) Where should it be in the future?
For #1, I think the program is right where it should be if not a little ahead of schedule. LSU was mired in mediocrity from 2009-17. You can debate the level of mediocrity but it was mediocre. Most of the players on this team were under 6 years old last time LSU made a Final Four run and most were around 7-9 when we last won the SEC. Where are we now?
2017: NIT 2nd rd
2018: SEC Champions // Sweet 16
2019: ...COVID (Tourney lock)
2020: NCAA 2nd rd
2021: TBD (currently projected NCAAT)
That seems about right, if not a little ahead of schedule, if you consider where the program was pre-Wade.
Now, I expect LSU to make the tournament this year. That would be 4 consecutive tourney teams for the first time in 30 years. Missing the tourney after the start would be a "failure" and not winning a game a "disappointment". Neither of which should necessitate a coaching change when you consider the context of the season (injuries, youth, etc.). I think that is a reasonable expectation based on where the program is now. So, again, I ask: where should we be right now as a program?
Question #2 is a bit harder to answer, but I will give it a shot. I think it's unreasonable to expect NCAA championships. It is not debatable that it is hard to win NCAAT. There are upsets every year and Cinderella stories; it's part of the reason we love March Madness.
For expectations: I think we should see consistency in the growth of the program. I would expect we continue to push the top-4 in conference and make NCAAT. In the next 5 years I would expect another Sweet 16 run, and maybe an Elite 8 run. I expect the program to grow to a point where missing the Tourney is damn near a fire-able offense. To me, these are reasonable expectations for the future.
Again, these are about expectations not hopes. Of course I hope that LSU wins the NCAAT every year, but expecting that is only setting ourselves up for disappointment.
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Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:22 am to TFS4E
So we are in year 5 of Wade, and where we need to be. Over the next 5 years we should be satisfied if we make a sweet 16 again one time? So 10 years and two sweet 16's is our expectation. frick that, I'll put more emphasis on women's basketball where the expectations are multiple championships. Same with baseball and football. In men's basketball though, we should be happy with a participation trophy, and forget championships.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:23 am to TFS4E
You are about where I am. Yeah they had a great start but they were also 100% healthy. This team healthy, even with it's offensive issues, can beat anyone. But this let's burn the whole thing down because we've lost some games while having key players injured is just stupid. Especially when the injured are also leaders of the team. This team was picked 6-7th in the conference preseason. They could finish there or could exceed that if we could get everyone healthy but I do believe a lot of people on this site aren't very knowledgeable when it comes to basketball or have unrealistic expectations of such a young team.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:23 am to StAugFLTiger
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frick that, I'll put more emphasis on women's basketball
Sweet!
You should stay out of the mbb’s thread while your dumbass is at it.
You constantly bring up dale brown, what did he do in his first 5 years at lsu? Nothing.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:26 am to TFS4E
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Where should the basketball program be now?
This is our first "bad loss" on the season. I think we are where we need to be, we far outpaced expectations to start and then everything needed to go off without a hitch and then we got injuries at the worst possible time in the schedule.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:29 am to TFS4E
Five teams are ahead of us in conference play. Five teams are behind us in conference play. We are tied with four teams right in the middle.
That’s not where we want to be.
No doubt injuries have hurt us. That’s been the biggest problem. The second problem is we’ve had so much attrition, and we lack chemistry. Having good, solid role players studying would help in the long run.
We’ve seen some exciting basketball with some elite athletes. We’ve seen glimpses of what can happen. We aren’t where I thought we’d be, but I can see a path to getting there with Coach Wade.
That’s not where we want to be.
No doubt injuries have hurt us. That’s been the biggest problem. The second problem is we’ve had so much attrition, and we lack chemistry. Having good, solid role players studying would help in the long run.
We’ve seen some exciting basketball with some elite athletes. We’ve seen glimpses of what can happen. We aren’t where I thought we’d be, but I can see a path to getting there with Coach Wade.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:32 am to StAugFLTiger
Take the #1 PGF and best shooter off of every SEC team and tell me how many games they win. No one in the conference has had as many injuries to key players as LSU. Yes they commit stupid fouls and have stupid turnovers at the worst times but that is what you get with youth. Without Pinson and Murray healthy I don't care what offense you run you are at a disadvantage. Not saying Wade is above criticism, no coach is but ignoring the injuries is being dishonest and shows no understanding of the game. Anyone ranting about firing Wade is just juvenile BS.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:33 am to barry
I think we have a nucleus of players that are program guys, 3-4 year guys, that could be the foundation of a deep run next year or the year after.
Gaines is growing every game. Murray has league leading scorer potential. Reid should be here another year at least, Wilkinson for two more. Justice Williams is getting more comfortable. Adam Miller will be back next year. Fudge and O'Neal shouldn't be going anywhere.
We need Fudge, Reid, and Wilkinson on the 10,000 catches a day regimen though.
Gaines is growing every game. Murray has league leading scorer potential. Reid should be here another year at least, Wilkinson for two more. Justice Williams is getting more comfortable. Adam Miller will be back next year. Fudge and O'Neal shouldn't be going anywhere.
We need Fudge, Reid, and Wilkinson on the 10,000 catches a day regimen though.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:34 am to StAugFLTiger
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So we are in year 5 of Wade, and where we need to be. Over the next 5 years we should be satisfied if we make a sweet 16 again one time? So 10 years and two sweet 16's is our expectation. frick that, I'll put more emphasis on women's basketball where the expectations are multiple championships. Same with baseball and football. In men's basketball though, we should be happy with a participation trophy, and forget championships.
You aren't answering the questions. What are your expectations? Enumerate them for us. Where should we be now? Where should we be by year 10? 15? 20?
We aren't talking about fan hopes here. I already said I hope we win the NCAAT every year. That's a hope. I want expectations. Only really Duke (2015) and Kentucky (2012) and handful of others can expect NCAAT championships every year, and most of the time they have not done it.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:34 am to TFS4E
My question is what season prediction did the anti-Wade posters who have popped up lately have preseason?
Last night sucked but I’m not calling for anyone’s head yet
Last night sucked but I’m not calling for anyone’s head yet
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 9:35 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:38 am to doubleb
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Five teams are ahead of us in conference play. Five teams are behind us in conference play. We are tied with four teams right in the middle.
That’s not where we want to be.
No doubt injuries have hurt us. That’s been the biggest problem. The second problem is we’ve had so much attrition, and we lack chemistry. Having good, solid role players studying would help in the long run.
We’ve seen some exciting basketball with some elite athletes. We’ve seen glimpses of what can happen. We aren’t where I thought we’d be, but I can see a path to getting there with Coach Wade.
Thank you. This is a reasonable and level-headed take.
I would potentially counter with we were expected to be middle of the pack SEC this year. I personally thought that projection was a little low, but I am also very biased.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:41 am to TFS4E
I'm just going to comment on this season - this is not LSU's season.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:45 am to TFS4E
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I would potentially counter with we were expected to be middle of the pack SEC this year. I personally thought that projection was a little low, but I am also very biased.
The question is where should we be in year five of the WW tenure, not where we were predicted to be preseason.
Looking at the team we fielded for pre conf play and for early conf. play, I was very pleased. That team isn’t playing anymore.
My biggest disappointment is Wade’s failure to change our strategy as we lost key players. He needs to learn you have to play different when you lose people. You have to play different on the road. You have to find a way to compete with lessor in a hostile environment.
Wade will learn in time.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 11:06 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:47 am to doubleb
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The question is where should we be in year five of the WW tenure, not where we were predicted to be preseason.
Looking at the team we field for pre conf play and for early conf. play, I was very pleased. That team isn’t playing anymore.
My biggest disappointment is Wade’s failure to change our strategy as we lost key players. He needs to learn you have to play different when you lose people. You have to play different on the road. You have to find a way to compete with lessor in a hostile environment.
Wade will learn in time.
Fair enough
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:48 am to StAugFLTiger
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frick that, I'll put more emphasis on women's basketball where the expectations are multiple championships
How many titles have our women won?
God damn you are fricking retarded
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 9:49 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 9:54 am to StAugFLTiger
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So we are in year 5 of Wade, and where we need to be. Over the next 5 years we should be satisfied if we make a sweet 16 again one time? So 10 years and two sweet 16's is our expectation. frick that
John Calipari (top 10 coach) has been at UK (top 5 school) for 10 years. He has one national title… That was when he had Anthony Davis who is a top 10 player in the world when he isn’t a hurt bitch. He had the most talented team in the history of basketball in 2015 went 38-0 and STiLL did not win a title.
Yet Wade is supposed to win Championships (plural)? The gold standard for this program is a yearly NCAA tournament team, and having the stars align every 4 to 5 years to make a deep run.
It happened in 2018/19 and it will likely happen next season. Oh and BTW last year, if not being hosed by seeding, they would have also been a sweet 16 team
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:03 am to RedPillMill
quote:He won't answer any questions. I have asked him how many more tourney games he expected to win. I asked him where we should be now. I asked him where we should be in the future. He always yells about how low my expectations are but won't give any specifics for his own thoughts.
John Calipari (top 10 coach) has been at UK (top 5 school) for 10 years. He has one national title… That was when he had Anthony Davis who is a top 10 player in the world when he isn’t a hurt bitch. He had the most talented team in the history of basketball in 2015 went 38-0 and STiLL did not win a title.
Yet Wade is supposed to win Championships (plural)? The gold standard for this program is a yearly NCAA tournament team, and having the stars align every 4 to 5 years to make a deep run.
It happened in 2018/19 and it will likely happen next season. Oh and BTW last year, if not being hosed by seeding, they would have also been a sweet 16 team
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:19 am to TFS4E
If the only satisfactory outcome is a national title then you are being unrealistic.
I take satisfaction in watching LSU play top teams, compete well, challenge for and win SEC titles, and get into the national spotlight.
Winning it all is great, but it is not mandatory.
If it’s win it all or it’s a bad season then as a fan you are going to be miserable almost all the time with rare exceptions. Enjoy the ride, it’s not as if anything is guaranteed.
I take satisfaction in watching LSU play top teams, compete well, challenge for and win SEC titles, and get into the national spotlight.
Winning it all is great, but it is not mandatory.
If it’s win it all or it’s a bad season then as a fan you are going to be miserable almost all the time with rare exceptions. Enjoy the ride, it’s not as if anything is guaranteed.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 11:07 am
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:23 am to S
You can't fkn be serious. The expectations with Mulkey are through the roof. That expectation is multiple championships, and very deep runs in March. Seriously, wow.
Posted on 2/2/22 at 10:25 am to StAugFLTiger
You didn’t answer the question thus further underlining your mongoloid status
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