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Should wrongful arrest settlements come out of the officers pension?
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:20 pm
I went down a Youtube rabbit hole and watched some of the "police audit" videos where people do shite to purposely get police attention. Nothing illegal but stuff like filming a police station from a sidewalk. All too often the cops don't know the laws and detain people for simply not showing their ID. If you read about the stories these guys are suing and get $40K to $100K settlements pretty easily for civil rights violations.
One comment I always see is the settlement shouldn't be taxpayer-funded but should come out of the police pension plans.
I am not sure where I stand on it. On one hand, it is scary the amount of dumbass cops that don't know or care about the law and the only thing saving the public a lot is video cameras but on the other, I don't want police to hesitant to do their jobs. I am sort of up in the air.
BTW, I watched some highlights of this jogger being arrested in September for failing to ID himself. He wasn't committing any crime so no need to ID. I bet this guy gets paid
SAPD body cam video shows officers detaining jogger; DA drops charges in case
One comment I always see is the settlement shouldn't be taxpayer-funded but should come out of the police pension plans.
I am not sure where I stand on it. On one hand, it is scary the amount of dumbass cops that don't know or care about the law and the only thing saving the public a lot is video cameras but on the other, I don't want police to hesitant to do their jobs. I am sort of up in the air.
BTW, I watched some highlights of this jogger being arrested in September for failing to ID himself. He wasn't committing any crime so no need to ID. I bet this guy gets paid
SAPD body cam video shows officers detaining jogger; DA drops charges in case
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SAN ANTONIO — Newly released video is shedding light on the controversial arrest of a jogger who was detained August 25 after police said he matched the description of a man wanted on suspicion of choking his ex-wife.
The jogger who was detained, identified as Mathias Ometu, was not the individual police sought in connection with the domestic violence case. However, Ometu was booked on two felony charges of assaulting a peace officer after police alleged that Ometu kicked officers when they tried to put him into a patrol car.
Bexar County District Attorney Joe Gonzales said Tuesday that those two charges against Ometu would be dropped.
Ometu's attorney, Adam Kobs, said Tuesday afternoon that he had met with Bexar County District Attorney Joe Gonzales in recent days to discuss the case.
"We appreciate Bexar County District Attorney Joe Gonzales looking at these cases immediately and doing the right thing," Kobs said. "He, his staff and I met yesterday and spent many hours over the last few days reviewing the evidence."
"The San Antonio Police Department is far from blameless," Kobs continued. "They falsely accused and unjustly arrested an innocent Black man. SAPD’s misconduct needs to be investigated and we expect a future inquiry and examination to occur."
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Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:25 pm to stout
Just one of those small, grift settlements would wipe out a single cop's entire pension contribution.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:26 pm to stout
I had a cop tell me one time I could not go to a rent house anymore because my renters complained about me the owner. These same cops will tell you that the have to arrest you because they are not judges. Needless to say I told that dude to shut the frick up and get off my property and went over and put an eviction notice on the door.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:31 pm to stout
Probably something in the middle. These settlements need to have caps on their payouts and municipalities should have a tiered structure that increasingly pulls a higher percentage from the pension fund if we are going down that path. Some officers just have a power complex and can’t help themselves. Others are simply trying to identify if people doing suspect things are threats or not.
How the settlements get that high is beyond me.
In the example you mentioned, if the jogger fit the description of a felonious suspect, I don’t have a problem with identifying the person. If you don’t have a warrant or any reason to hide your ID, providing identification shouldn’t be an issue. If you have a warrant, you gotta face the music.
How the settlements get that high is beyond me.
In the example you mentioned, if the jogger fit the description of a felonious suspect, I don’t have a problem with identifying the person. If you don’t have a warrant or any reason to hide your ID, providing identification shouldn’t be an issue. If you have a warrant, you gotta face the music.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:32 pm to stout
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Should wrongful arrest settlements come out of the officers pension?
Not a specific individuals pension, but there should be some fund allocated to this nonsense that all are obliged to contribute in case of.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:32 pm to stout
There needs to be some sort of 2 or 3 year rigid training program with pay that complements.
Make it high paying attractive job that makes employment competitive.
Make it high paying attractive job that makes employment competitive.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:36 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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Some officers just have a power complex and can’t help themselves
This one really pissed me off
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Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:37 pm to stout
Remember the Cameron cops? No one wanted to get pulled over going to Holly Beach.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:39 pm to stout
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This post was edited on 1/9/22 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:40 pm to loogaroo
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Remember the Cameron cops? No one wanted to get pulled over going to Holly Beach.
They are crooked. Remember the Cameron cop arrested being a drug mule?
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An off-duty Cameron Parish Sheriff's deputy was arrested Tuesday night as Louisiana State Troopers found approximately 18 pounds of marijuana in his pickup truck.
According to Troop D spokesperson Sgt. James Anderson, 28-year-old Derek Nothnagel of Lake Charles was pulled over for traffic violations while traveling on I-10 Eastbound in Sulphur. Nothnagel refused to let troopers search his 2004 Toyota Tundra, but a K-9 unit was brought in and alerted troopers to a large duffle bag containing marijuana.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:40 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
No and no!! That’s exactly what cops say when they want you to give up your rights! If you want to ID, go right ahead. If no crime is being committed, they have no right to your information!!
This post was edited on 1/9/22 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:42 pm to loogaroo
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Make it high paying attractive job that makes employment competitive.
I was talking to a city councilman friend from a nearby town. They have 33 patrolmen slots in their police department and only 11 are filled. It’s like that all around my neck of the woods.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:44 pm to stout
End Qualified Immunity.
Blanket QI has created an environment that invites police abuses and reckless use of force. We don’t need an anointed class of government sector employees who are above the law that is applied to the rest of us plebes.
How did police forces exist before the advent of QI? The reality is that Qualified Immunity is a relatively recent legal precedent that corresponds with the increasing militarized Police State that has arisen during this insane War on Drugs®:
LINK ] Excessive force, zero justice: The U.S. high court’s continual refinement of an obscure legal doctrine has made it harder to hold police accountable when accused of using excessive force.....
Blanket QI has created an environment that invites police abuses and reckless use of force. We don’t need an anointed class of government sector employees who are above the law that is applied to the rest of us plebes.
How did police forces exist before the advent of QI? The reality is that Qualified Immunity is a relatively recent legal precedent that corresponds with the increasing militarized Police State that has arisen during this insane War on Drugs®:
LINK ] Excessive force, zero justice: The U.S. high court’s continual refinement of an obscure legal doctrine has made it harder to hold police accountable when accused of using excessive force.....
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:49 pm to loogaroo
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Make it high paying attractive job that makes employment competitive.
Nah. 100k/yr for cops wouldn’t solve this problem. It would just exacerbate it. You’d have cops with the mindset that they get paid so well, they’re above reproach.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:49 pm to stout
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They are crooked. Remember the Cameron cop arrested being a drug mule?
Yep
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:53 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
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I was talking to a city councilman friend from a nearby town. They have 33 patrolmen slots in their police department and only 11 are filled. It’s like that all around my neck of the woods.
This is a huge issue. I’m seeing more and more departments that are not only short handed, but average years of experience is dropping. Departments that use to have almost no turnover and could be picky about applicants are now struggling to fill spots. They pay hasn’t gone up, cost of living had and nobody wants shite pay to do a job where you deal with shitty people ( other employees / politics / and the public).
I’m all for more training and higher standards but the pay has to improve or nobody will ever chose that career.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 9:07 pm to ThatMakesSense
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Nah. 100k/yr for cops wouldn’t solve this problem. It would just exacerbate it. You’d have cops with the mindset that they get paid so well, they’re above reproach.
It’s proven that there’s a correlation between officers’/departments’ level of higher education and the amount they’re sued.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 9:19 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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If you don’t have a warrant or any reason to hide your ID, providing identification shouldn’t be an issue.
Suppose a cop gets a call from a parent who thinks you’re acting suspiciously because you’re sitting in your car eating lunch in a park while a group of preschoolers are playing nearby. The cop IDs you. That night, one of the kids goes missing or some major vandalism occurs at the park. Don’t be surprised when detectives show up at your door to ask a few questions to see what you know. You’d be a fool to answer any questions without a lawyer present. Showing your ID when it wasn’t required just cost you a few thousand bucks.
And how does showing your ID prove intent?
Posted on 1/9/22 at 9:20 pm to stout
Do they get to sue the dickheads and their families that they deal with?
Posted on 1/9/22 at 9:22 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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How did police forces exist before the advent of QI?
Fairly well considering the absence of an ambulance chasing plaintiff's bar.
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