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re: Who has the responsibility of a successful implementation of NIL at LSU?
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:32 am to classicgold
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:32 am to classicgold
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Probably Stephanie Rempe. She did a good job marketing. Terrible plan implementation though. Our plan was basically stay out of it and let local businesses do the work. We are finding out now, that you have to play a little dirty.
Yeah, this is not like real business. In NIL businesses can't ask, "what can this employee/player do for me?"
"Business owners" that love LSU need to ask "what can I do to help get this kid to LSU"?
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Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:34 am to OKtiger
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We blew our TAF donations this year on Coach O’s retirement
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:35 am to VeryReauxna_ish
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Boosters need to organize, create a LLC, put money into it, hire a manger, and have the guy get in front of players & recruits or their families to explain how they’re going to pay them legally to make social media posts periodically or do public advertising’s to promote their business’.
This is how aTm and Texas are doing it.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:40 am to OKtiger
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Possibly. But I just think we spent so much money from boosters on this coaching search, we forgot that NIL was even a thing.
I never thought Woodward’s athletic department would be so utterly unprepared and incompetent when it comes to something so important for the football program
People have to recognize that this was a big swing and miss by LSU football. Now learn from it and correct it. Money for billboards in Time Square ain't going to cut it. Money going to Shazz Preston to tweet out 12 Five Minute Oil Change tweets a month gets Shazz Preston to LSU. It's that simple.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:46 am to GumboPot
LSU treated NIL like it was supposed to go on paper. Give the players a platform, promote the hell out of them, and allow them to go get the best deals for themselves on their own. It worked in the short term over the summer.
They failed to realize that all these other schools were putting in place pre set deals from their boosters to use in negotiating both the current players and the recruits. That is where LSU failed miserably and now have to catch up to everyone else. I imagine it won’t take them long.
They failed to realize that all these other schools were putting in place pre set deals from their boosters to use in negotiating both the current players and the recruits. That is where LSU failed miserably and now have to catch up to everyone else. I imagine it won’t take them long.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:49 am to GumboPot
I’m gonna start by saying this is my opinion and based on zero insight or actual facts.
I think it’s a lingering issue from the O regime. O didn’t adapt to change very well.
1) He lost his coordinators and couldn’t get good ones to replace them cuz he wouldn’t change his systems on either side of the ball.
2) we were shite during the covid season cuz O didn’t do a good job adapting to that environment.
3) O missed on year 1 of NIL deals by not making sure all his big name players were taken care of. The easy examples are Ricks and Boutte. One is gone and one is flirting with leaving cuz O didn’t line their pockets.
4) which leads me to believe that we are behind in the NIL stuff cuz O wasn’t forward thinking enough. He either couldn’t predict the way other schools would use NIL deals to lure players or he did predict it but wasn’t organized enough to set up a similar system to use at LSU.
I think we are behind but will catch up as soon as BK has the time to get his ducks in a row.
I think it’s a lingering issue from the O regime. O didn’t adapt to change very well.
1) He lost his coordinators and couldn’t get good ones to replace them cuz he wouldn’t change his systems on either side of the ball.
2) we were shite during the covid season cuz O didn’t do a good job adapting to that environment.
3) O missed on year 1 of NIL deals by not making sure all his big name players were taken care of. The easy examples are Ricks and Boutte. One is gone and one is flirting with leaving cuz O didn’t line their pockets.
4) which leads me to believe that we are behind in the NIL stuff cuz O wasn’t forward thinking enough. He either couldn’t predict the way other schools would use NIL deals to lure players or he did predict it but wasn’t organized enough to set up a similar system to use at LSU.
I think we are behind but will catch up as soon as BK has the time to get his ducks in a row.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:02 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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I’m gonna start by saying this is my opinion and based on zero insight or actual facts.
I agree with you to an extent. O dropped the ball on a shite ton of LSU football related items and he is partially responsible for dropping the ball on NIL. With that said a lot of the responsibility for dropping the ball on NIL falls on other people at LSU too. That's why I'm asking the question in the OP, "who is responsible for NIL at LSU?"
LSU needs an NIL point man/woman.
LSU recruiters need to be making these matches from a high level in these recruits living rooms. Within LSU athletics/TAF one or two people need to be tasked with the job of identifying potential business/sponsors. Those businesses need to communicate how much they are willing to commit and what are their expectations are in return. From there the LSU recruiters can communicate to the player, this is what we can do for you on the field and what we can do for you off the field. Communicating what LSU can provide to the player on the field is the easy part.
In terms off off the field, player academics needs to be delegated to academic advisors like it normally is. NIL matching needs to delegated to a fulltime LSU/TAF liaison. The LSU NIL liaison needs to be a fulltime job for LSU. LSU NIL player/business matching needs fulltime commitment. Not some third party like CrowdPush where their first allegiance is profit for CrowdPush.
This post was edited on 12/20/21 at 10:15 am
Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:29 am to GumboPot
As of 2 weeks ago (before signing day), Florida made a change to a law and updated their NIL rule. Anyone can now call the Univ of Florida and have this conversation with their compliance department
"I would like to cut a 20K check for player xyz on the swim team" The compliance will accept the funds and get it to the player.
What's the procedure at LSU?
Whatever it is, why is not being promoted?
"I would like to cut a 20K check for player xyz on the swim team" The compliance will accept the funds and get it to the player.
What's the procedure at LSU?
Whatever it is, why is not being promoted?
Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:33 am to Supermoto Tiger
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What's the procedure at LSU?
Whatever it is, why is not being promoted?
I know these are rhetorical questions addressed to the board but we should know the answers to these questions. The fact that we don't means LSU is behind the NIL 8 ball.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:40 am to Supermoto Tiger
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Anyone can now call the Univ of Florida and have this conversation with their compliance department
"I would like to cut a 20K check for player xyz on the swim team" The compliance will accept the funds and get it to the player
If this is true this is a NCAA violation. The money CANNOT come from the school.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:58 am to GumboPot
Hire Orgeron to run it he ain’t busy or employeed
Posted on 12/20/21 at 11:00 am to bryankroy
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Hire Orgeron to run it he ain’t busy or employeed
He's busy. Have you not seen the jugs he's chasing around?
Posted on 12/20/21 at 11:31 am to geauxtigers33
You guys need to read the law that governs NIL in Louisiana. Here are two key points:
A postsecondary education institution, or an officer or employee of a postsecondary education institution, shall not compensate or cause compensation to be directed to a current or prospective intercollegiate athlete for the athlete’s name, image, or likeness.
A postsecondary education institution shall not use an athletic booster to, nor shall an athletic booster, directly or indirectly, create or facilitate compensation opportunities for the use of an intercollegiate athlete’s name, image, or likeness as a recruiting inducement or as a means of paying for athletics participation.
Louisiana isn’t the only state with this issue. Florida’s NIL law also expressly prohibits the schools and its boosters from being directly involved in NIL setup. NIL laws in some other states are more lenient, creating an uneven playing field here.
As for breaking the rules here, this isn’t some NCAA guideline that comes with a secondary violation slap on the wrist. This is state law. That’s a different ballgame and level of enforcement if you get busted. I’m sure that has something to do with our hands-off approach to NIL so far. From what I heard on a 247 last week after the whole FSU-Jackson St debacle, FSU has a similar problem being hands-on with NIL due to their state law.
The wording of the law doesn’t mean that LSU can’t get creative and figure out way around having school administrators or booster work directly on NIL deals for players. However, this clearly adds overhead for us that some other programs won’t have. This is a problem that Woodward needs to be working on from the political side.
We need two things:
1. The LA legislature needs to take the handcuffs off of LSU in the short term. The language of the law needs to be relaxed in the name of LA schools helping their student athletes be successful.
2. Long term, there needs to be a federal law that governs this that all states have to abide by.
A postsecondary education institution, or an officer or employee of a postsecondary education institution, shall not compensate or cause compensation to be directed to a current or prospective intercollegiate athlete for the athlete’s name, image, or likeness.
A postsecondary education institution shall not use an athletic booster to, nor shall an athletic booster, directly or indirectly, create or facilitate compensation opportunities for the use of an intercollegiate athlete’s name, image, or likeness as a recruiting inducement or as a means of paying for athletics participation.
Louisiana isn’t the only state with this issue. Florida’s NIL law also expressly prohibits the schools and its boosters from being directly involved in NIL setup. NIL laws in some other states are more lenient, creating an uneven playing field here.
As for breaking the rules here, this isn’t some NCAA guideline that comes with a secondary violation slap on the wrist. This is state law. That’s a different ballgame and level of enforcement if you get busted. I’m sure that has something to do with our hands-off approach to NIL so far. From what I heard on a 247 last week after the whole FSU-Jackson St debacle, FSU has a similar problem being hands-on with NIL due to their state law.
The wording of the law doesn’t mean that LSU can’t get creative and figure out way around having school administrators or booster work directly on NIL deals for players. However, this clearly adds overhead for us that some other programs won’t have. This is a problem that Woodward needs to be working on from the political side.
We need two things:
1. The LA legislature needs to take the handcuffs off of LSU in the short term. The language of the law needs to be relaxed in the name of LA schools helping their student athletes be successful.
2. Long term, there needs to be a federal law that governs this that all states have to abide by.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 12:06 pm to misey94
So basically we will have problems with NIL due to statutory limitations that limits the institution's ability to outwardly participate? So we will be at the mercy of the state legislature and motivated boosters?
Posted on 12/20/21 at 12:13 pm to KiwiHead
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So basically we will have problems with NIL due to statutory limitations that limits the institution's ability to outwardly participate? So we will be at the mercy of the state legislature and motivated boosters?
This is certainly a hinderance. Woodward needs to work with state politicians on this and push to get the rules relaxed. We need our influential boosters putting direct pressure on them.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 12:23 pm to GumboPot
I remember Coach O being asked about NIL and he said something to the effect of he believes the atheletes should receive some compensation but if they are coming to LSU to make a career out it that they may want to look elsewhere.
Currently it seems to me that LSU doesnt want to get into the big number game but thats just my opinion. I ok with that. If LSU had just bought their way into a #1 recruiting class I dont think thats something I would be proud of.
I see turmol coming to these schools bankrolling their rosters.
Currently it seems to me that LSU doesnt want to get into the big number game but thats just my opinion. I ok with that. If LSU had just bought their way into a #1 recruiting class I dont think thats something I would be proud of.
I see turmol coming to these schools bankrolling their rosters.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 12:28 pm to GumboPot
Woodward has ultimate responsibility
Posted on 12/20/21 at 12:29 pm to GumboPot
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This is how aTm and Texas are doing it.
Many Under the cloak of charitable organizations.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 12:30 pm to GumboPot
Oh look another thread where someone ask about NIL……..just stop for the love of god. LSU can and will pay the players. It’s a new coaching staff at a program that’s been .500 the last two years. LSU has money knows how to pay players and will be way above average in this.
Posted on 12/20/21 at 1:13 pm to SA4LSU
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Many Under the cloak of charitable organizations.
seems to be the way to go. Gets a tax deduction for the booster and simplest way to get the money to the players. I like the way Texas is doing it starting with a flat $100k per player on the roster per year (85x$100k per player= $8.5 million), then extra pay for the best players on roster and other starters and position group bonuses (for example the O linemen room at Texas get an extra $50k per O linemen, even to walk-ons), so maybe around $5 million per year for that. Then recruit signing bonus in order to get those top recruit classes and transfers (32 x $100k average would be $3.2 million). So to be competitive with the top schools we would need a budget of about $16.7 million per year for NIL. Seems very affordable being they were rather easily able to come up with $17 million to buy out Orgeron.
Once we get known as one of the better paying NIL schools recruiting will pick up and we should be able to get back into the conversation for competing for NC's once again.
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