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$8000 School Choice Vouchers Being Discussed In Texas

Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:50 am
Posted by PatriotLSU65
Member since Oct 2023
93 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:50 am
Louisiana should pass School Choice Vouchers into law and each family get $8,000 also. They should not be stuck in failing Public Schools. Kids should have the choice to go to Metairie Park Country Day School, Newman, Jesuit, Episcopal Baton Rouge, Episcopal of Acadiana, and other top schools.
Posted by TrouserTrout
Member since Nov 2017
6425 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:51 am to
Moaaaarrrr welfare

They do have that option. It’s called their parents pay for it.
This post was edited on 10/12/23 at 6:53 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
101833 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:51 am to
$8k vouchers would nowhere near cover full tuition at a lot of schools discussed.

Parents who send their kids to Episcopal typically save money when sending their kids to college after graduation compared to that tuition.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
74041 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:53 am to
If Louisiana starts giving out $8000 vouchers, those schools will just increase their tuition by $8000.

School vouchers are a nice idea in theory but just turn into a grift in reality.

Fix the fricking public schools.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25553 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:53 am to
That will just bring down the standards of the private schools.
Posted by ThatTahoeOverThere
Member since Nov 2021
4214 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:55 am to
Ahhhh no
Posted by Tower_Tiger12
Member since Jan 2021
983 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:55 am to
Would also be a good way to destroy some good private schools
Posted by Herooftheday
Member since Feb 2021
3830 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:58 am to
quote:

each family get $8,000 also


They should just get it? Based on what?
Posted by TxRan2020
Texas
Member since May 2020
658 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 6:59 am to
What I don’t understand about school choice is-wouldn’t there be full schools everyone wanted to go to and empty schools that nobody wanted to go to? I’m neither for or against it, I guess, I just don’t understand how it would work.
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
10732 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:01 am to
quote:

If Louisiana starts giving out $8000 vouchers, those schools will just increase their tuition by $8000.

Exactly. It’s the same as electric vehicle tax credits. The companies will just increase their prices by the amount of the credit.
Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
7291 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:03 am to
Is this $8000 extra? Or, is it $$ that would follow the student?
IE...the private school gets the money the public would otherwise?

I could support that, as it's cash neutral.
Posted by Wasp
Off Highland rd.
Member since Sep 2012
1522 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:07 am to
Not sure how the numbers on this would work.

Current EBR spend is ~$13k per student.

What % of EBR children are in public vs private?

It seems like the voucher $ would have to be pretty low for the well to not run dry.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
101833 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:07 am to
Theoretically it is cash neutral.

But the way that it worked out under Jindal was that any school accepting the vouchers had to have a curriculum meeting state standards instead of just letting existing schools with a track record enroll these kids.


IIRC, Redemptorist got flooded with these kids in part because it was already in trouble due to the kids who used to go there now attending Zachary, Central, or other such schools.
Posted by BigMob
Georgia
Member since Oct 2021
7625 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:09 am to
Our f*g state Republicans tabled it this past session in Georgia .
Posted by TrouserTrout
Member since Nov 2017
6425 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:11 am to
What people don’t realize is parents have always had school choice. You want your kid to go to a better school move to that district. You want your kid in private school, save money and pay like the rest.

There is a reason the best schools are located where they are. Whats next? Giving vouchers and grants so they can get a house in a better neighborhood too?
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13949 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:14 am to
quote:

School vouchers are a nice idea in theory but just turn into a grift in reality


More or less of a grift than public schools getting your money no matter how shitty they are? If public school money followed the kids and forced schools to compete it would actually make the school better. Right now the public schools can continue to be awful and they get that tax money next year no matter what.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:16 am to
Yes Louisiana should. We should be 100% school choice and any one opposed is a fool.

If local districts want to remain government schools make them compete for the money.

There would be a proliferation of new schools opened and teacher pay would go up.
This post was edited on 10/12/23 at 7:19 am
Posted by Wasp
Off Highland rd.
Member since Sep 2012
1522 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:17 am to
I was under the impression that most kids in texas went to public schools?

In New Orleans and BR it would decimate our schools. If you think education is bad now, it would be exponentially worse. I know there’s waste and grift etc but if per student funding decreased by 1/3 - 1/2 I couldn’t imagine how bad it would get. And we would all be complaining about the drastically increasing crime.
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13949 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:22 am to
The alternative seems to be every year “the public schools need more money” and then they keep doing worse. It’s going to take something drastic and systemwide to change anything.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
30787 posts
Posted on 10/12/23 at 7:24 am to
quote:

$8k vouchers would nowhere near cover full tuition at a lot of schools discussed


My kids are $10k a year per student. It’d be helpful even for $20k/year tuition.

I don’t think that it will be that beneficial or a net gain and I’m not necessarily a big fan of how Abbott is handling it, but the arguments on the other side of the coin boil down to “if you stop taking money from people who don’t want to participate and pay for our product by force, then we’ll go under.”

I work with K12 and support public education entirely.

I had two conversations this last month with schools on the border.

One of them was in a brand new technology building easily worth $20mm and they told me they have no money. This is across the parking lot from a $50mm administration building with over 200 administrators. They blamed the state funding and overspending on staff. Went off about vouchers and how that was going to cost them 100s of students and millions of dollars.

The next school district over I met in a modest admin building where they have been in the same building for 30 years. They said it was tight but they hadn’t gone crazy on hiring people (especially admin) and were OK.

He said, “if we’re not offering a product people want, they should be able to use that money how they see fit.”

2 completely different viewpoints on it, just 10 miles apart.
This post was edited on 10/12/23 at 7:25 am
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