re: You can thank Baylor for holding up this process

I moved to Texas in '91 and I asked back then, why did UTw and aTm did not want to move the SEC during the SEC expansion process? According to the horn and aggie fans it was because the Texas Legislature blocked them from leaving thus preserving the SWC. So I see nothing new with the Texas state legislature being involved in helping create the Big 12. I could have been told a fib, so feel free to check their story. My biggest problem is with people who have bigoted beliefs that are equivalent to racial discrimination towards people of Faith that prevent an institution from being allowed into a conference. Especially when said institution has not shown a tendency to corrupt and/or enlighten the other members.

with Ken Starr at the helm, what do you expect? just sayin'

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with Ken Starr at the helm, what do you expect? just sayin'

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You obviously don't know Ken Starr or anything about him. I do know him and have known him for several years. While I might not agree with his positon over the A&M issue, he is one of the most honorable people I have ever known and one of the kindest and most considerate. The image presented by the elitist media during the "Clinton Scandal" was a complete distortion.

This:

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he is one of the most honorable people I have ever known and one of the kindest and most considerate.

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seems alot like this:

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Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life. ---Manchurian Candidate

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Just saying... and

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The image presented by the elitist media during the "Clinton Scandal" was a complete distortion.

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Baylor and Tech both got in due to boosters and state legislature.

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This is my whole point, though: if not them, who?

SMU, TCU, Houston, and Rice were not viable options because they either were completely unable to maintain successful athletic programs (TCU, Rice) or they were unable to do so without cheating (SMU, Houston). Texas Tech and Baylor had proven that they could. You are right in that legislators and boosters did all they could to make TT/BU happen, but it is likely that they would have been chosen anyway.

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Houston was a public school in a huge market.

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...that always has been and always will be dominated by UT and A&M. Adding Houston adds nothing in terms of market--certainly no more than TT and BU.

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It was odd that the legislature chose to push a private school before a state school.

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Not odd at all. Baylor was the better choice. They had been better and more effective on and off the field for half a decade, and Houston never proved that they could do anything good without cheating.

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It would be like the SEC and ACC merging and not inviting Alabama during the Shula years.

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I'm assuming that you're exaggerating; Alabama was and is a top 5 all-time program. I get the point, though.

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Baylor won an SWC title 5 times in almost 100 years in the conference. UH won the title 4 times in less than 20 years and would have won more if they hadn't been ineligible in '89 and '90. UH had an invite to the SEC at one point. They were one of the best programs in the SWC in the 70's and 80's.

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I know I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but Baylor's success is clean; what has Houston ever accomplished cleanly? Probably nothing.

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Regardless hearing Baylor boohoo about state unity now is laughable because they certainly didn't mention it when they were snuck into the Big 12.

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No doubt. They're just as full of shite as A&M and UT and anybody else in the country. I don't blame them for doing it, though; I'd be doing the same thing they're doing.

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They are not capable of being competitive.

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100% false. Grant Teaff had the program in a competitive state for 20 years, when everyone else in the conference was cheating their asses off. They've just made four HORRIBLE coaching hires in the past 20 years. Their lack of success in the Big 12 is their worst period ever, and it is in no way indicative of a lack of an ability to be competitive.

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100% false. Grant Teaff had the program in a competitive state for 20 years, when everyone else in the conference was cheating their asses off. They've just made four HORRIBLE coaching hires in the past 20 years. Their lack of success in the Big 12 is their worst period ever, and it is in no way indicative of a lack of an ability to be competitive.

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Count the number of times they've won a conference. Count the number of times they've been dead last. They're a good doormat, nothing more. And to point to their program's clean nature doesn't work since they have 5 major infractions. 1 football, 2 bball, 1 tennis, 1 football/bball. They had a major in '86 and '95 for SWC stuff before they started covering up murders in recent times.

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Indiana, you are entitled to the an opinion, even if it is one based entirely on ignorance. I suggest however that you refrain from showing your ignorance so publicly.

Despite what you think you know, Starr was an outstanding federal appellate judge, did an outstanding job as Dean of Pepoerdine Law School (you might want to look at the jump in rankings that Pepperdine made while he was dean), he is a brilliant lawyer and legal scholar, and I am sure he will make an excellent president of Baylor.

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My post was a commentary on YOUR awe-inspiring cock sucking of the man. Did you cc him? When you sound like a fictional brainwashed character, perhaps you're just a wee bit over the top.

I haven't made any comment regarding Mr. Starr, but for the record I believe he is brilliant and extremely effective at what he does, which is to serve his masters well by doing whatever it takes. However, as you would guess, I am not an admirer of his work. Pretty meaningless, but it seems to matter to you, so you should know that no matter how many hagiographies an obvious sycophant writes, it will not change my mind.

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FYI, Baylor is 18-101 in the Big 12.

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Good God. They belong in CUSA

Where is Baylor?

Baylor is in Waco. College Station is right at 90 miles from Waco, Austin and Houston