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re: Why is everyone so opposed to staying at 13 teams?
Posted on 9/27/11 at 6:59 pm to jcole4lsu
Posted on 9/27/11 at 6:59 pm to jcole4lsu
quote:If you are saying everyone plays 8 conference games, that is mathematically impossible if A&M is in the west.
at 13 you will have aTm playing a 4/4 schedule and everyone else will be playing a 5/3 schedule, so it is not the same for all teams.
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Posted on 9/27/11 at 7:27 pm to JPLSU1981
Here is why I don't like it.
Let's say that one year LSU and Auburn don't play each other. Very likely because the game has only been annual since the original sec expansion. Now, let's suppose that in the special year both LSU and Auburn go 8-0 in the SEC, thus tying for the West Division championship.
In this case, the only way to determine who plays for the SEC (and likely national) championship is by some arbitrary tie-breaker!
The one thing that was always clearly defined and within a team's control is not any longer. And to me, that is a huge risk to take.
I admit that this is an unlikely scenario. But just that the possibility exists is enough for me to detest a 13-team conference.
Let's say that one year LSU and Auburn don't play each other. Very likely because the game has only been annual since the original sec expansion. Now, let's suppose that in the special year both LSU and Auburn go 8-0 in the SEC, thus tying for the West Division championship.
In this case, the only way to determine who plays for the SEC (and likely national) championship is by some arbitrary tie-breaker!
The one thing that was always clearly defined and within a team's control is not any longer. And to me, that is a huge risk to take.
I admit that this is an unlikely scenario. But just that the possibility exists is enough for me to detest a 13-team conference.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 9:00 pm to TriumphTiger
Not fair with respect to who gets to the championship game as you use the games within the division for tie breaking. . West has to compete with another team's record and the East doesn't. Only way to make it somewhat fair would be to make A&M play in the west one year and in the east the following until a 14th team is added.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 9:03 pm to LSU NO Tigah
Its all moot. A 14th team will be added eventually and probably within 2 years at the most.
Posted on 9/27/11 at 10:29 pm to Bob Ag
Do Alabama / Tennessee and Auburn / Georgia HAVE to play every year? If so, if the west plays all six other teams, then at least ALA and AU play only one team from the east with an 8-game conference schedule.
I fail to see how if works if they keep the current permanent east opponent.
It would make more sense to play all six western games and rotate the six eastern teams playing 2 each year for three years.
I may have missed it, but has there been talk about keeping or foregoing these permanent yearly opponents?
I fail to see how if works if they keep the current permanent east opponent.
It would make more sense to play all six western games and rotate the six eastern teams playing 2 each year for three years.
I may have missed it, but has there been talk about keeping or foregoing these permanent yearly opponents?
Posted on 9/27/11 at 11:04 pm to JPLSU1981
Lack of symmetry.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 9:29 am to Bob Ag
"Its all moot. A&M will technically be the 12th team replacing Auburn when they inevitably get the death penalty within 2 years at the most"
FIFY.
FIFY.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 10:14 am to JPLSU1981
neatness freaks.
what's that detective's name?
Monk.
unbalanced shite bugs him to death.
7 and 6 is unbalanced.
I hope it stays 13 until people get used to it and then goes to 15.
what's that detective's name?
Monk.
unbalanced shite bugs him to death.
7 and 6 is unbalanced.
I hope it stays 13 until people get used to it and then goes to 15.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 10:36 am to ottothewise
I agree. Saying the SEC can't have 13 teams is retarded. Before Tech and Tulane left you had a 12-team conference and most schools played only 6 or 7 conference games and you had a conference champion.
When the SEC had 10 teams you often had schools only playing 6 or 7 conference games and you had a conference championship and no one had a problem with it.
When the SEC had 10 teams you often had schools only playing 6 or 7 conference games and you had a conference championship and no one had a problem with it.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 10:49 am to Ralph_Wiggum
It bears repeating with all the talk about scheduling:
When all is said and done, every SEC team will play the EXACT SAME NUMBER OF CONFERENCE GAMES.
And that is all that matters.
When all is said and done, every SEC team will play the EXACT SAME NUMBER OF CONFERENCE GAMES.
And that is all that matters.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 11:08 am to JPLSU1981
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When the SEC had 10 teams you often had schools only playing 6 or 7 conference games and you had a conference championship and no one had a problem with it.
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Really? No one had a problem with it?
I'm just asking the question of do you create a schedule if there are going to remain these one game tie-ins with east teams.
When the SEC had 10 teams you often had schools only playing 6 or 7 conference games and you had a conference championship and no one had a problem with it.
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Really? No one had a problem with it?
I'm just asking the question of do you create a schedule if there are going to remain these one game tie-ins with east teams.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 11:18 am to JPLSU1981
quote:
When all is said and done, every SEC team will play the EXACT SAME NUMBER OF CONFERENCE GAMES.
And that is all that matters.
When you don't play everyone, who you play will matter. Short term it's unlikely to matter, but longer term you will have cases where LSU doesn't play AL for instance. Of course you can live with it, and short term is no problem, but it's not preferable longer term.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 11:25 am to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:
When the SEC had 10 teams you often had schools only playing 6 or 7 conference games and you had a conference championship and no one had a problem with it.
I hate to point out the obvious, but if no one had a problem with it, then it would have never changed. I'm pretty sure back in the day, LSU lost a share of the conf title because they played one less conf game than the winner.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 1:08 pm to souldog
quote:
Really? No one had a problem with it?
I'm just asking the question of do you create a schedule if there are going to remain these one game tie-ins with east teams.
No, in the 70s and through the early 80s you often had some SEC teams playing 6 sec games and some playing 7 and you crowned a sec champion. Like I said before Tech and Tulane left 6 game SEC conference schedules were normal. LSU basically played only Tulane, Florida, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Miss State, and Alabama for decades and after Tulane left those five were almost always on the Schedule. LSU rarely played Georgia, Tennessee or Vandy.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 1:12 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:
When you don't play everyone, who you play will matter. Short term it's unlikely to matter, but longer term you will have cases where LSU doesn't play AL for instance. Of course you can live with it, and short term is no problem, but it's not preferable longer term.
The SEC went decades 60 to 70 years with everyone not playing everyone and not having equal SEC conference games and you had a SEC champion and you had SEC teams winning national titles.
If I had my way the SEC would not have divisions and have a 13 team league with 8 conference games--maybe 9 if some schools want one and you can still have a SEC champ go to the BCS bowls.
Posted on 9/28/11 at 1:28 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:
no one had a problem with it
the problem came with the Sugar Bowl bid when there were co-champs.
Example 1988 season LSU and Auburn were SEC co-champs. LSU beat Auburn head to head, but we ended up at the Hall of Fame bowl, and Auburn went to the Sugar.
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