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re: West Virginia? Missouri? I'll pass
Posted on 9/18/11 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/18/11 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
If the Big Ten doesn't want Missouri, they will end up in the SEC. If the SEC adds WVU, there's a real problem of who else to add if they are unwilling to add a team from a state where an SEC currently resides. There is only one team I can think of them breaking that rule for and that's OK. Instead of adding WVU, they could offer OK and OK St. This would add 4 teams to the West and Aub and AL move to the East. Question is, would OK even consider the SEC with the PAC-12 courting them?
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Posted on 9/18/11 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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.those markets give a frick about CFB
missouri adds nothing
wow, you're saying that in St L and KC there is not 1 single person that watches CFB? Interesting. Also interesting that so many message board fans have a better understanding of this than Conference Commissioners and Network executives.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 9:22 am to H-Town Tiger
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wow, you're saying that in St L and KC there is not 1 single person that watches CFB? Interesting.
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Posted on 9/18/11 at 9:26 am to H-Town Tiger
Also, the SEC expansion strategy last time of adding middle class teams instead of massive powers has worked spectacularly. It doesn't mean it will work again, though I think it will given the number of football powers the SEC already has, but it definitely demonstrates the "they add nothing" opinion is ignorant of history.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 9:29 am to Baloo
i'm sure the tv networks are guiding the conferences in this, and as long as each team is guaranteed more money per school, it won't annoy me too much. but expanding for the sake of expansion can bite you in the arse
i don't want to get caught up in a feeding frenzy and inflated market that may not pan out. then we're stuck with a team or 2 for the long haul. arkansas and USC may be middle class major teams, but they still provided rabid fanbases within our geographic footprint
i don't want to get caught up in a feeding frenzy and inflated market that may not pan out. then we're stuck with a team or 2 for the long haul. arkansas and USC may be middle class major teams, but they still provided rabid fanbases within our geographic footprint
Posted on 9/18/11 at 9:57 am to Baloo
Last time the big benefit of going to 12 was adding the CCG in football which has been a huge revenue generator for the SEC.
You don't get that with 14 or 16. But WVU has been good in FB and BB for a while. Better over the last 20 than USC has been or was before joining the SEC. Not a good argument against them
I'm not that crazy about the idea of the super conference, I think 12 is a good number. I wish we had gotten A&M over Arky back in 91, but I'm sure they are ot just expanding to expand, they must have good reason to think they will get more TV money and or expand an SEC network or something.
You don't get that with 14 or 16. But WVU has been good in FB and BB for a while. Better over the last 20 than USC has been or was before joining the SEC. Not a good argument against them
I'm not that crazy about the idea of the super conference, I think 12 is a good number. I wish we had gotten A&M over Arky back in 91, but I'm sure they are ot just expanding to expand, they must have good reason to think they will get more TV money and or expand an SEC network or something.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 9:58 am to H-Town Tiger
TAMU is a good addition and will almost certainly lead to a new TV deal, but the 14th+ options just seem really weak
Posted on 9/18/11 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
I think we will stop at 14.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 10:16 am to Baloo
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SMU = dallas. with some monetary infusion...
If there is any school in the NCAA that doesn't need the phrase "monetary infusion" associated with it, it's SMU.
The problem with WVU is that it doesn't seem to have much potential for growth... you'd be taking a program at it's apex and it would be great if they could sustain the level of success, but that is unlikely. It's not a demographically expanding area like North Carolina or Texas.
Mizzou is a school that should bring more long-term, unless they want to go to the developmental league for #14 and pick ECU or SMU/TCU.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
If you don't get anyone from the ACC like UNC, VT or Md, then Missouri probably adds the most market wise. WVU is good in FB and BB and gets a some audience in Pittsburgh plus a whole small state
This post was edited on 9/18/11 at 10:32 am
Posted on 9/18/11 at 10:40 am to H-Town Tiger
I know quite a few Mizzu fans and I have been there a few times, to say the St Louis and KC market aren't big college fans is just ignorant. Mizzu is great option!
Posted on 9/18/11 at 10:45 am to cajunx2
their revenue was only $25M last year, per a stat posted earlier in this thread
Posted on 9/18/11 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
The Big 12 has had lousy TV deals. Mizzo brings a big state and 2 big cities, that can add to the better SEC TV deals.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 10:58 am to H-Town Tiger
oh i agree, but i think missouri got at least $8M from the last deal. add 10 and it's still pretty low
Posted on 9/18/11 at 10:59 am to SlowFlowPro
What kind of market did Arkansas and South Carolina bring?
Posted on 9/18/11 at 11:02 am to H-Town Tiger
I know there stadium is small (would require expansion) but would Cincy add anything? Is the Ohio market big enough? Do we dip into Ohio State recruiting territory? Not saying this is a great choice just curious how they would fit with regards to market and or recruiting?
Posted on 9/18/11 at 11:06 am to cajunx2
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What kind of market did Arkansas and South Carolina bring?
Different time. Apples and oranges.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 11:21 am to SeattleTiger19
Nah, Cincy really doesn't bring anything, certainly a lot less than WVU and Mizzo.
Posted on 9/18/11 at 11:21 am to Indiana Tiger
Not really. South Carolina football program was worse than Mizzu and they offered nothing market wize. What's the difference?
Posted on 9/18/11 at 11:23 am to cajunx2
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What's the difference?
it was 1991, now its 2011 hence the different time comment he made.
ETA: you guys also need to stop basing things on football success. USCe always filled their 80K + stadium, even when they are terrible. It was a very good get from an independent. Going from 10 to 12 meant a CCG which is a big revenue producer, conferences had just won the right to do TV deals over the NCAA in like 84. The big TV were just starting, with NBC signing Notre Dame in early 90's.
This post was edited on 9/18/11 at 11:29 am
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