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re: Texas Suddenly Willing To "Share" the LHN
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:42 am to arwicklu
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:42 am to arwicklu
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But I guess the conference strength speaks for itself. Pumping up the strength of the conference has given the SEC a better reputation and if it comes to a one loss (or two loss) team getting into the title game, I think I know what conference they'll come from.
The strength of the SEC is based on the fact that the South has by far the largest amount of good football players, not the revenue scheme
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Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:44 am to rocket31
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not true, television exposure and popularity push bama to near top of revenue producers in the conference while leach programs like vanderbilt benefit.
the model works, yes, but it still largely benefits some schools moreso than others. which is fine if that is the model agreed upon, just ironic politically.
But the conference being strong benefits Alabama. They're giving away some conference money in return for things like getting the nod over other 1 loss teams for the BCS game.
After the LSU/Oregon game, ESPN mentioned that Oregon probably doesn't have the schedule to come back from one loss so they needed it more than LSU. LSU could have fought their way back up based on their schedule. Oregon is in a weak conference and their season is done.
It is good that they got extra money on the revenue sharing the last few years. Having no shot at the title game could lose them a lot of money though. I understand the concept though.
Texas and Oklahoma love having a one game season so a weak conference has advantages. It wouldn't be my goal to have two good teams and some punching bags.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:48 am to usc6158
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The strength of the SEC is based on the fact that the South has by far the largest amount of good football players, not the revenue scheme
The top 3 states are:
Cali
Texas
Florida
Currently one state is in PAC 12 country, one is in Big 12 country, and one is in SEC/ACC country. Ohio would be next on the list.
It takes money to run a football program. Oregon wasn't great until Nike money. T Boone has made Okie State worth something. Running a program is all about money. Any program that can afford 5 million a year for Saban will be good right now. How many schools can afford an elite coach? Money makes all the difference. The big schools are able to feast on the smaller ones in a conference because they don't have the resources to compete.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 9:54 am to arwicklu
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The top 3 states are:
Cali
Texas
Florida
Currently one state is in PAC 12 country, one is in Big 12 country, and one is in SEC/ACC country. Ohio would be next on the list.
Georgia, South Carolina, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, ext all produce a ton of good players.
California and Texas get split up between entire conferences.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:00 am to usc6158
Starting to look like UT to the Pac whatever is a done deal?
So long Big 12. You won't be missed.
So long Big 12. You won't be missed.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:01 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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The Big 12 dealt with unequal revenue sharing just fine because every program voted for it
if it worked just fine, why is everyone so hot to get out of the league? Maybe its a coincidence, but since the SEC expanded to 12, added the CCG and got big TV deals with CBS, look how the conference has succeeded. Teams like MSU, Arky and USCe are paying for top coaches and fielding top 15 teams.
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Texas will do whatever makes it the most possible $, just like everyone else.
same old Texas passing the buck mentality.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:06 am to H-Town Tiger
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f it worked just fine, why is everyone so hot to get out of the league?
Agreed! You never hear Bama or Florida or LSU saying, "We are exploring our options for conference affiliation" or something about revenue sharing. The SEC is the true model all other conferences/teams aspire to be/included in. Basically the SEC members have their shite together. The only fighting we do is on the field.
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same old Texas passing the buck mentality
True dat!
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:11 am to usc6158
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Georgia, South Carolina, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, ext all produce a ton of good players.
If that were the only issue, then you'd at least expect the California schools to be good every year. The PAC 10 had 5 teams in the top 25 recruiting rankings last year. It appears that some teams are finding players, especially USC and Oregon who have been getting the biggest split of money. They even seem to have money to recruit nationally and get players from Texas, Florida, etc.
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California and Texas get split up between entire conferences.
However Florida and Georgia don't get split between the ACC and SEC? Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, etc etc etc. Alabama's talent gets split between Bama and Auburn. Mississippi has Miss St and Ole Miss fighting each other. Tennessee doesn't have good talent. South Carolina has Clemson doiing really well in recruiting from the ACC.
I'm not seeing why the PAC 12 doesn't have enough talent to go around. They're not fighting another conference like the ACC which has teams like Clemson, Florida State, and Miami that recruit very well. It really looks like the rich PAC 12 teams do well and the ones getting less don't. College football in general... rich teams do well and the poor don't.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:12 am to Chitter Chatter
You also don't see schools like Ohio State, Florida or Bama trying to start their own network and then claiming anyone that didn't like it was just jealous or would do the same thing etc, etc.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:21 am to H-Town Tiger
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if it worked just fine, why is everyone so hot to get out of the league? Maybe its a coincidence, but since the SEC expanded to 12, added the CCG and got big TV deals with CBS, look how the conference has succeeded. Teams like MSU, Arky and USCe are paying for top coaches and fielding top 15 teams.
Exactly. The money came in and the wins followed.
Ole Miss was also on the right track before they hired Houston Nutt!
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:25 am to H-Town Tiger
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You also don't see schools like Ohio State, Florida or Bama trying to start their own network and then claiming anyone that didn't like it was just jealous or would do the same thing
capitalism. i find a hard time faulting texas since our country at its core is based on similar principles (for right or wrong).
This post was edited on 9/5/11 at 10:27 am
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:30 am to rocket31
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i agree, but the irony is amusing. thats all.
There is no "irony" in it. What you are repeating is one of the biggest lies or misunderstandings around.
Private individuals or groups agreeing to share is not "socialism". For political purposes some groups have tried to making sharing and cooperation synonyms for socialism (ie government control). Individualism does not mean literally doing everything yourself. One of the main points of Adam Smith is the division of labor
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capitalism. i find a hard time faulting texas since our country at its core is based on similar principles (for right or wrong).
That's not the right way to look at. Texas is part of the Big 12, there are benefits to being in a conference. No one is saying teams should share all revenue. No one is trying to stop schools from building onto their stadium, which brings in more revenue or sharing donations, T-Shirt sales etc. Its a very short sighted view what Texas is doing. Being in a strong conference has benefits. Its why Florida, OU, Texas and Alabama were all ranked ahead of USC in the 2008 BCS. Teams like Bama and tOSU make a little less maybe on TV deals by sharing revenue, but more than make up for it in other areas. It benefits Bama by having stronger conference teams to play.
This post was edited on 9/5/11 at 10:51 am
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:36 am to H-Town Tiger
H-Town beat me to it.
Equal partnerships are a capitalist business business model. They are even detailed in a Commerce Code.
Failing to treat your business partners equally isn' capitalism, it's screwing over your business partners. It's the reason why teams are bolting from the Big 12 and no one will join it. It's a bad partnership.
Equal partnerships are a capitalist business business model. They are even detailed in a Commerce Code.
Failing to treat your business partners equally isn' capitalism, it's screwing over your business partners. It's the reason why teams are bolting from the Big 12 and no one will join it. It's a bad partnership.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:46 am to Touchdowns4LSU
all this leads us to realize is that ESPN is more responsible for what is happening to the Big 9/10/12 than Texas. They just won't own up to it
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:49 am to Baloo
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Failing to treat your business partners equally isn' capitalism, it's screwing over your business partners
This is another part of the great "misunderstanding" of capitalism, that screwing people over is just a natural part of it, it is not.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:51 am to H-Town Tiger
essentially by splitting/sharing the revenue it, in turn, makes your partners more productive. this same model could, in theory, be applied on a larger social scale. it is not, which is where i find the irony.
anyways, texas is part of the big twelve, yes, but all members of that conference agreed to the stipulations of membership. texas took advantage of those rules (regardless if it was short-sighted or not) so i find no fault in their decisions. the other members were silly to agree with the model.
wealth of nations
anyways, texas is part of the big twelve, yes, but all members of that conference agreed to the stipulations of membership. texas took advantage of those rules (regardless if it was short-sighted or not) so i find no fault in their decisions. the other members were silly to agree with the model.
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Adam Smith
wealth of nations This post was edited on 9/5/11 at 11:06 am
Posted on 9/5/11 at 10:59 am to rocket31
UF, Bama\Auburn and maybe LSU would have their own network if they could but the all 12 schools called each other and said, "Don't even think about trying that shite here!"
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:07 am to H-Town Tiger
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Failing to treat your business partners equally isn' capitalism, it's screwing over your business partners
This is another part of the great "misunderstanding" of capitalism, that screwing people over is just a natural part of it, it is not.
Capitalism is amoral. It doesn't care either way. Just make money. But in the sports business, it's clear this is the way to greater wealth; see NFL.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:08 am to rocket31
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this same model could, in theory, be applied on a larger social scale
no it can't because to apply it on a larger social scale requires force and a concentration of power that leads to corruption and inefficiency.
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essentially by splitting/sharing the revenue it, in turn, makes your partners more productive
Not necessarily. It should make everyone more productive than they would be on their own. The "product" in sports is a game, that requires a partner of some kind.
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all members of that conference agreed to the stipulations of membership. texas took advantage of those rules (regardless if it was short-sighted or not) so i find no fault in their decisions. the other members were silly to agree with the model.
I agree the other members should not have agreed to the model and share some blame . But I disagree that we should find no fault in Texas' decisions. Those decisions have lead to a lot of bad blood and is tearing apart the conference.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:09 am to Indiana Tiger
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Capitalism is amoral. It doesn't care either way. Just make money
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This is another part of the great "misunderstanding" of capitalism
you too should brush up on Adam Smith.
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