re: Texas fans, are you guys mad...

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CIC, AAU, NIH...have a look at where the research money flows and you'll find your answer to your question. And it is a significant amount of money.
(hint, other then Vandy and UF, the SEC doesn't generate nearly the amt as the Big 10 member institutions)

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or the pac ten.....Texas wants a chunk of that money.

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Not surprising, as you're awesome at everything.

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It is awesome if he got into WU...that's no easy task right there.

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That being said, the SEC would mean more money to Texas than the Pac-whatever or the Big whatever.

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Arrakis just pointed out their take from a tv deal would be more than what the sec is getting now, yes the sec would increase by adding texas but they don't get any real research dollars by going to the SEC. They would get a lot by switching to the big/pac whatevers.

Like you said, it comes down to money. I think with all that we know they will get more by going to the big or the pac (whatevers). We already know this.....

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They dont want to be on a level playing field with real comp

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eta...although I believe switching will be a step up in comptetition (no matter where they go....pac,big...obviously the sec).

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As far as academics, perception is reality to Texas' higher-ups. They've wanted to be in the Pac-10 for a while and felt the Big XII was inferior academically. Yes, arrogant I know.

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But what does conference affiliation have to do with academics? Someone has yet to explain that to me.

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But I can guarantee you no one at Texas is scared of competition in the athletics dept.

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I wouldn't think so, but this all seems very illogical and I'd like to know what is driving it.

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But what does conference affiliation have to do with academics? Someone has yet to explain that to me

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Conf affiliations aren't just about sports. It's just that sports are all most care about so it's all they really focus on.

For example, the Big 10 is a part of a coalition called the Committee on Institutional Cooperation. This is basically a consortium that doles out research funds to member institutions. What makes the Big 10 so attractive is that they get a huge slice of the NSF pie (something like 20%) when compared to other academic consortiums.

So you asked about money and academics. Before PSU joined the Big 10, they received around $250m/yearfor research. Now that number is in the neighborhood of $750m. Not an insignificant increase.

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Texas 10% Law...and it does cause problems.

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Nail...meet head.

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I do have a question about the TV markets. Does it matter how many people actually view the games? Or is it just based on potential viewers?

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Tuck, having negotiated media buys during my days on a big advertising committee, it's about both.

The size of the market is paramount because the potential for market share is enormous. A 10 market share in L.A. is much larger than a 40 share in Austin or New Orleans.

Number of viewers is important because advertisers buy GRP (gross ratings points). If the broadcaster can't deliver viewers to reach the GRP number they have to give the advertiser free ads to make up for it.

At the end of the day, I believe it will about who can give them the biggest and best deal. Like one sportswriter said, Texas is the 10 at the end of the bar. She does the picking.

However, several posters have brought up a very good point that hasn't been discussed before; namely access to research money the Pac10 provides. Texas A.D. does a smart thing by giving millions each year to the general fund. That keeps the academic folk happy and lessens criticism for the big money the A.D. spends. In Dodds plan for the LSN, he's included a portion of the programming to promote academics....smart, very smart PR move.

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If you are correct and they do go to the highest bidder, then I'll gladly admit I was wrong. I'm betting they won't go to the highest bidder (unless the Pac-10 does some VERY lop-sided deal).

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You have to agree Texas is in a much stronger position with the Pac10 now that SC is shite. Who knows how badly they want them to join? Dunno.

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One last question, can you answer why they keep mentioning academics if it's really all about money? I'm just betting it's more than money and academics is a bullshite excuse.

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That's the Texas arrogance shining forth. They think they are better, smarter, and richer than anyone. Not all, but enough to make people want to gag when they hear it.

I keep going back to the LSN because I've read how important it is to Texas for the future. Not only will it make a ton of money, but they'll have the dead cow skull logo in front of kids and coaches and parents to the exclusion of everyone else. THAT is a big deal. If the SEC OK's it, Texas can maneuver the politics, and the TV money is close....that's where they'll head.

Thanks.

I don't know if you saw this in the other thread, but here....

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this texas fan gets it

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Re: Per Chip: UT, OU, TT, Ok St confirm they'll go to Pac-10; date set Reply
i don't think realizing that A&M bent us over the table on this deal is being a pussy. they want to join the best conference in America. we want to join one where their bellcow will be nonexistent for 2 years and everybody else doesn't even care about football.

what is truth is, we have some real pussies in our admin. they don't want the SEC because they don't think they will win as much. THAT is pussy shite. all the other excuses for the SEC are just that: excuses. Pac10 has USC who just got hit harder than anyone in a long, long time. SEC's academics are BETTER than the Big 12's where we didn't seem to mind. Vandy doesn't seem to mind the SEC.

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This is the type of Texas fan I was referring to arrakis. He gets it.

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They want the biggest paycheck and the most easy path with no real challnge.

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in a nutshell

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I haven't seen one single shred of evidence that would lead me to believe that going to the PAC-10 or even the Big 10 would be better for you than coming to the SEC.

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There is a very strong case for the Big 10. The CIC is a very big deal. Also, football tv revenue projections of a Big 10 with Tex, Neb & ND are between $30 & $40 million.

The only argument for the Pac 10 is that it is the path of least resistance for a national title. Also, a lot of Texas bigwigs think that 10 to 20 years from now, the projected Pac 16 will have the overwhelmingly largest amount of eyeballs and will eventually by the wealthiest conference by a wide margin.

My preferences for Texas are:
Big 10
Independence
SEC
PAC 10