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re: Ok, screw 16 teams...let's stop at 14...let's talk scheduling
Posted on 9/19/11 at 7:36 am to JawjaTigah
Posted on 9/19/11 at 7:36 am to JawjaTigah
Speaking of traditional rivalries, if you look at how the Pac-12 handled their scheduling, only USC and UCLA kept their traditional rivalries with Cal and Stanford (that was a major hurdle to the original 12 team expansion). Everyone else has a rotating schedule. Not saying that's how we should handle it, but just food for thought.
Personally, IF we want to go to a 9 game conference schedule, I would hope we can renegotiate the TV deal to be something ridiculously large, as I think that will be the only way for teams to recover revenue lost from the additional home game.
Personally, IF we want to go to a 9 game conference schedule, I would hope we can renegotiate the TV deal to be something ridiculously large, as I think that will be the only way for teams to recover revenue lost from the additional home game.
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Posted on 9/19/11 at 7:59 am to Chicken
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of course they could be preserved...the rivalries MUST be preserved. There is no way Tennessee/Alabama and Georgia/Auburn games will go away...especially not the Georgia/Auburn game...that is the oldest rivalry in the south.
not sure how important Alabama/Tennessee is...if it isn't, you could move Auburn to the SEC East and add your 14th team to the SEC West...
It's a real problem with competitive balance though. What if Ole Miss is good one year and catches Kentucky as their rotating opponent on top of Vandy as their permanent the same year LSU gets say Georgia and has Florida as the permanent opponent?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 8:25 am to Chicken
I would rather drop Auburn than drop the Tennessee game fwiw.
This post was edited on 9/19/11 at 8:33 am
Posted on 9/19/11 at 8:30 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:sure...outside of the two rivalries I mentioned, I don't think any other strong cross-divsion game exists. As someone mentioned, maybe let those two games stay and everyone else has two rotating games...but do it in a way that provides balance to the schedule...eg, I would not want LSU getting Vandy and Kentucky as the SEC East opponents in a season.
It's a real problem with competitive balance though. What if Ole Miss is good one year and catches Kentucky as their rotating opponent on top of Vandy as their permanent the same year LSU gets say Georgia and has Florida as the permanent opponent?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 8:41 am to Chicken
Another far fetched idea but why not.
Make 3 divisions:
West - aTm, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mss State
Central - Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vandy, UGA
East - Florida, SC, Kentucky, whoever(Clemson), whoever(Vatech)
Division winners plus wildcard have a 4 team playoff. Also you could play your inner division opponents each year and half the other teams that way you could get a home and away with all teams over a 4 year cycle. SEC started the championship game, why not start the miniplayoff. TV revenue and games would be fantastic.
Why not have a wild card weekend before the SEC championship... I know its far fetched but wht the hell...
Make 3 divisions:
West - aTm, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mss State
Central - Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vandy, UGA
East - Florida, SC, Kentucky, whoever(Clemson), whoever(Vatech)
Division winners plus wildcard have a 4 team playoff. Also you could play your inner division opponents each year and half the other teams that way you could get a home and away with all teams over a 4 year cycle. SEC started the championship game, why not start the miniplayoff. TV revenue and games would be fantastic.
Why not have a wild card weekend before the SEC championship... I know its far fetched but wht the hell...
Posted on 9/19/11 at 9:20 am to Chicken
I don't see how 16 teams would work w/o changing the teams in each division.
Bama has to keep Auburn & Tennessee
Auburn has to keep Bama & Georgia
Florida has to keep Tenn & Georgia
Someone earlier said move Auburn to the east. If you do that they would have to keep Bama as there permanent west division team. I think 14 teams should be the max enabling the existing rivalaries to stay intact. I personally would hate to see Bama and Auburn to go to the east and not be able to play Bama every year.
Bama has to keep Auburn & Tennessee
Auburn has to keep Bama & Georgia
Florida has to keep Tenn & Georgia
Someone earlier said move Auburn to the east. If you do that they would have to keep Bama as there permanent west division team. I think 14 teams should be the max enabling the existing rivalaries to stay intact. I personally would hate to see Bama and Auburn to go to the east and not be able to play Bama every year.
This post was edited on 9/19/11 at 9:22 am
Posted on 9/19/11 at 9:21 am to Houston Texas Tiger
quote:I don't think it is allowed by the NCAA.
Why not have a wild card weekend before the SEC championship... I know its far fetched but wht the hell...
I would much rather 14 teams than any other number.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 9:35 am to Chicken
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No big deal...here is a slight change to what we are used too: instead of playing that rotating team two years in a row (home and away), you would just play them once, and then again six years later...eg, you play them the first time at home and you go on the road the next time you face them.
I don't like this at all. They fun part of two games back to back is you can get payback on certain players/coaches etc. The teams would be completely diffferent in this scenario each time they are faced.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 9:38 am to Hubbhogg
quote:good point...ok, go with back to back games...maybe end the permanent opponent scheduling for the teams that don't have a historical rivalry in the other division. This will allow most of the teams to more quickly cycle through the teams from the other division.
I don't like this at all. They fun part of two games back to back is you can get payback on certain players/coaches etc. The teams would be completely diffferent in this scenario each time they are faced.
Slive, call me...
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:21 am to Chicken
I think we should stop at 12 myself. I think this whole thing is a big mistake. Sure we will bring in more tv dollars but hellooooo we have to share it with more teams. Sounds like a virtual wash while screwing up the scheduling and setting things up so that you play a team a couple of times and then don't play them again for almost 2 decades. How the hell is that even considered in the same conf.? Getting so big just defeats the whole purpose of having a freaking conf.!!!
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:24 am to omegaman66
quote:I like 12 too, but when you have a chance to get A&M, you take them...it's a no-brainer. So, as a result, we have to get to 14 to remove scheduling complexities.
I think we should stop at 12 myself. I think this whole thing is a big mistake.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:30 am to omegaman66
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setting things up so that you play a team a couple of times and then don't play them again for almost 2 decades
welcome to tradional SEC scheduling. LSU never played against Peyton Manning or Bo Jackson, even though both played 4 years. LSU played UGA in 78 and 79, then didn't play them again until 86
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:52 am to Chicken
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good point...ok, go with back to back games...maybe end the permanent opponent scheduling for the teams that don't have a historical rivalry in the other division. This will allow most of the teams to more quickly cycle through the teams from the other division.
Yeah I could care less about playing USCe every year. Somebodies rivalry is going to get screwed in this deal, I don't see anyway around it
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:01 am to H-Town Tiger
What if you just eliminated the divisions all together.
Instead, the permanent yearly games would be some traditional rivalries, and then the rest of the games would be on a rotating basis.
As in, say every team has 2-3 permanent rivalry games, and then the rest rotates. The championship game will be decided by the two best teams record wise with tiebreakers.
Of course, its hard to really try to figure this out without knowing how many teams are added and how many conference games will be played.
I think this is the best solution to the common problems 1) Rivalries preserved 2) playing opponents more common than once every few years 3) keeping power balanced in the league and 4) keeping a rational championship game setup.
I dont know how logical that is but it seems everyone is trying to work around a divisional setup when its clear thats not the thing people care about the most.
I think it would be awesome to have LSU and Arkansas as permanent rivals and then rotate in the rest of the SEC teams.
Instead, the permanent yearly games would be some traditional rivalries, and then the rest of the games would be on a rotating basis.
As in, say every team has 2-3 permanent rivalry games, and then the rest rotates. The championship game will be decided by the two best teams record wise with tiebreakers.
Of course, its hard to really try to figure this out without knowing how many teams are added and how many conference games will be played.
I think this is the best solution to the common problems 1) Rivalries preserved 2) playing opponents more common than once every few years 3) keeping power balanced in the league and 4) keeping a rational championship game setup.
I dont know how logical that is but it seems everyone is trying to work around a divisional setup when its clear thats not the thing people care about the most.
I think it would be awesome to have LSU and Arkansas as permanent rivals and then rotate in the rest of the SEC teams.
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