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re: Longhorns have GOT to be asking themselves....

Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:10 pm to
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:10 pm to
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Texas is getting paid no matter


really? was it a 20 year guarenteed contract? I would tend to doubt it.
Posted by OrangeBlood
Austin
Member since Sep 2005
802 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:13 pm to
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I don't expect anyone to get a payday like the horns did in the future especially since they are realizing that the value isn't there without more content.


In my reading of the tea leaves (i.e. the internet), I think the content is there but a couple factors are working against the LHN being picked up:

1. Asking price of ESPN (rumored at $0.40 a subscriber or something like that) is too high for the carriers. That's on ESPN - why not get it on as a bargain and renegotiate it up later?
2. The possible shift to a la carte subscription services.
3. The upcoming DirecTV - ESPN end of contract in December. If you're DirectTV, why do something now...why not just wait. I get that. And DirecTV seems like a domino that has to fall for the LHN to pick up steam. IMHO.

Not really sure if one or all of these factors are the main problem - and you're right, it could be a content issue as well. Picking up UTSA games, Friday Night Lights, could suggest this is the problem.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53752 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:18 pm to
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I don't expect anyone to get a payday like the horns did in the future especially since they are realizing that the value isn't there without more content.



also no one has as big a natural market for a single-school network as texas...
Posted by OneMoreTime
Florida Gulf Coast Fan
Member since Dec 2008
61860 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:31 pm to
You must not talk to that many people. I don't know anyone who wants them in our conference. frick Texas.

Hell I didn't want a&m in it either.
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
10420 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:33 pm to
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You must not talk to that many people.


Again, you must only talk to people that reach conclusions based on emotions...notice the

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frick Texas.



If the conference is going to expand, you want the best competition along with the best TV ratings possible. There is not a single school in the nation that could bring to the table what Texas can (that is not already in a solidified conference).
Posted by hoginthesw
DFW
Member since Sep 2009
5329 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:35 pm to
There is no way...I repeat...NO WAY Texas would EVER come to the SEC. Texas has always and will always want to rule whatever conference they are in. As far as the SEC wanting them-there is a reason two conferences have gone to the way side because of those pricks.
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
10420 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:38 pm to
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There is no way...I repeat...NO WAY Texas would EVER come to the SEC.


I see lots of ways it could happen. If the Big 12 collapses, they will be looking for another conference...that much is a given. The SEC makes the most geographical and competitive sense.

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As far as the SEC wanting them-there is a reason two conferences have gone to the way side because of those pricks


That's kind of a ridiculous assertion, imo. Texas has been allowed by poor conference management to influence decisions in their conference. That would not be the case in the SEC. If they joined, the SEC would be stronger. I don't know how anyone could honestly argue otherwise.
Posted by OneMoreTime
Florida Gulf Coast Fan
Member since Dec 2008
61860 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:38 pm to
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Again, you must only talk to people that reach conclusions based on emotions...notice the
Ok.
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If the conference is going to expand, you want the best competition along with the best TV ratings possible. There is not a single school in the nation that could bring to the table what Texas can (that is not already in a solidified conference).
Texas has proven time and time again to be a conference killer. Why would you want that cancer in your conference?

Also, like Texas a&m, they don't really fit into the conference's culture.

This is a moot point anyway. They won't want equal revenue sharing, so we don't want them.
Posted by relapse98
Member since Dec 2010
2736 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:40 pm to
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I think ESPN and UT both overestimated how many people outside the state of Texas really give a crap about watching the Longhorns.


They're a decent regional team that really hasn't done much nationally.
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
10420 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:41 pm to
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They won't want equal revenue sharing, so we don't want them.


They just agreed to equal revenue sharing in the Big 12.
Posted by OneMoreTime
Florida Gulf Coast Fan
Member since Dec 2008
61860 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:41 pm to
They still have the longhorn network right?
Posted by hoginthesw
DFW
Member since Sep 2009
5329 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:42 pm to
this is what you are not grasping. There is no such thing as Texas being an equal in all things in whatever conference they are in.

There's a reason they are "poaching" small schools to 'save' the Big 12 and not going after legit schools like the SEC did and will do.
Posted by OrangeBlood
Austin
Member since Sep 2005
802 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:43 pm to
I would be ecstatic if Texas was in the SEC, from a fan's perspective it would be great. But I agree (maybe not for same reasons as Arkansas fans) that it won't happen.

I do think the Big 12 had poor leadership - if that let Texas use its power improperly then shame on us but also shame on the conference. However, each team gets 1 vote and 1 vote only (by the president)....so issues that only Texas favored to the detriment of other schools (especially the smaller schools) should have been decided against Texas.
Posted by hoginthesw
DFW
Member since Sep 2009
5329 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:44 pm to
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I do think the Big 12 had poor leadership - if that let Texas use its power improperly then shame on us but also shame on the conference


this guy gets it.
Posted by relapse98
Member since Dec 2010
2736 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:49 pm to
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I've read it - can you point me to the clause that allows ESPN to suspend the network without paying its monetary obligations under the contract (i.e., in clause 10a)? Not saying it's not there, just don't remember seeing it written that way.


I don't even play a lawyer on the internet, but 14c.
Posted by OrangeBlood
Austin
Member since Sep 2005
802 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:49 pm to
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not going after legit schools like the SEC did and will do


So what "legit" schools should the Big 12 go after? Realistically.

There's only 1 "legit" school that even has a remote possibility of joining the Big 12 (and keep in mind I say remote) and that's Notre Dame. And I think that there are still rumors about this is more a testament to the strength of the relationship between the two ADs (Dodds and Swarbrick) than anything else.

The rest of the country (read SEC, at least on this board) would see no other school as legit...and maybe not even Notre Dame. WVU? Not according to some on this board. Louisville? Cincy? BYU? Which ones are legit?
Posted by TK421
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2011
10420 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:52 pm to
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They still have the longhorn network right?


That's third tier rights. LSU makes money on their third tier rights that are not shared. As do many other teams in the SEC and around the country.

Should LSU and Alabama start sharing their ticket revenue with Vanderbilt? No conference has completely equal revenue sharing.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:54 pm to
Who is Texas going to schedule for those games? Quality conference games should be Tier 1 or Tier 2. If Texas schedules a quality out of conference opponent it is likely that one of the networks with Tier 1 or Tier 2 rights will want to broadcast the game. The only games likely to fall to Tier 3 will be games against the crappiest conference and out of conference opponents available. Those games will hardly be the ratings winners that ESPN will be able to sell to advertisers. If that is all the content Texas can provide, then ESPN may pull the plug and leave Texas with nothing.
Posted by hoginthesw
DFW
Member since Sep 2009
5329 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:54 pm to
I'm not disagreeing with you concerning this, but ask yourself this.... would any school from the SEC, PAC, or B1G leave to join the new Big 12? No. However, the major schools in your conference ARE leaving.

Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
26903 posts
Posted on 10/6/11 at 2:59 pm to
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Who is Texas going to schedule for those games? Quality conference games should be Tier 1 or Tier 2.
correct. Who has tier 1 rights? ABC?

And who has tier 2 rights? Fox Sports?

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